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Old 06-04-2008, 10:02 PM   #21
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Okay, fair call on the piling on. Harry Vest, regardless of what I've said to you in past threads, I apologize for chiming in on this one.

But how about just creating one Hillary thread and putting all your articles in there instead of a new thread each time you have something new to call out?
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Okay, fair call on the piling on. Harry Vest, regardless of what I've said to you in past threads, I apologize for chiming in on this one.

But how about just creating one Hillary thread and putting all your articles in there instead of a new thread each time you have something new to call out?
Not a bad idea...except it looks like this is the LAST time I'll have to
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So can we expect some nice ageism threads now.
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Did you guys see this article yesterday posted by Hillary Rozen, a Hillary supporter, very loyal, until yesterday. This was her final straw.

Also, per NBC News the extra pressure placed on Hillary yesterday to let go and endorse him was because the superdelegates who endorsed her and supported her asked to be released (so they could be gracious and officially endorse Obama) she wouldn't officially release them and that pissed them off big time!! Read this!!

Hilary Rosen

I Am Not a Bargaining Chip, I Am a Democrat

Senator Clinton's speech last night was a justifiably proud recitation of her accomplishments over the course of this campaign, but it did not end right. She didn't do what she should have done. As hard and as painful as it might have been, she should have conceded, congratulated, endorsed and committed to Barack Obama. Therefore the next 48 hours are now as important to the future reputation of Hillary Clinton as the last year and a half have been.

I am disappointed. As a long time Hillary Clinton supporter and more importantly, an admirer, I am sad that this historic effort has ended with such a narrow loss for her. There will be the appropriate "if onlys" for a long time to come. If only the staff shakeup happened earlier; if only the planning in caucus states had more focus; if only Hillary had let loose with the authentic human and connecting voice she found in the last three months of the campaign. If only. If only. I have written many times on this site about the talents of Hillary Clinton and why I thought she'd make a great President.

After last night's final primary, she was only about pledged 100 delegates behind him. Ironic that after not wanting to make the decision for so long, it was in fact, the superdelegates who made the decision. But I guess they did so for another reason. It just isn't her time. It is his time. It's a new day that offers a freshness to our party that many have longed for. We felt the rush of new voices and a new energy in the Congressional sweep of 2006 and the sweep continues. It has been an organic shift. And a healthy one.

The life's work of Bill and Hillary Clinton in partnering with so many African Americans uniting our purpose and promoting our mutual issues is as responsible for Barack Obama's success as our first African American nominee as anyone. And yet, that joy is being denied for them by themselves. It is so sad.

So, I am also so very disappointed at how she has handled this last week. I know she is exhausted and she had pledged to finish the primaries and let every state vote before any final action. But by the time she got on that podium last night, she knew it was over and that she had lost. I am sure I was not alone in privately urging the campaign over the last two weeks to use the moment to take her due, pass the torch and cement her grace. She had an opportunity to soar and unite. She had a chance to surprise her party and the nation after the day-long denials about expecting any concession and send Obama off on the campaign trail of the general election with the best possible platform. I wrote before how she had a chance for her "Al Gore moment." And if she had done so, the whole country ALL would be talking today about how great she is and give her her due.

Instead she left her supporters empty, Obama's angry and party leaders trashing her. She said she was stepping back to think about her options. She is waiting to figure out how she would "use" her 18 million voters.

But not my vote. I will enthusiastically support Barack Obama's campaign. Because I am not a bargaining chip. I am a Democrat.
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Good for her...see, I'm hardly the only one who thinks her behavior is disgraceful!!!
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That is a very good article, and I'm sure it expresses the feelings of many Hillary supporters.

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Good for her...see, I'm hardly the only one who thinks her behavior is disgraceful!!!
Those are the words of a disappointed supporter who feels that she should have done a few things differently, especially of late. It hardly compares with your over-the-top, irrational rantings.
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That is a very good article, and I'm sure it expresses the feelings of many Hillary supporters.

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Those are the words of a disappointed supporter who feels that she should have done a few things differently, especially of late. It hardly compares with your over-the-top, irrational rantings.
You're right...I saw it a long time ago - she just realised it.
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This is hardly confirmation of all of your accusations.

I mean, really...if you sat down with this woman and listed all of your many Hillary complaints, do you think she'd agree with you, every one of them?
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I bet I could probably convince her of 75 % of them
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You're so biased, you can't even look at things rationally.

Eta - that statement was probably harsh, and it would probably be helpful if I better explained what I mean, rather than jotting off one-liners in frustration.

Hillary and Oback have very similar platforms politically, it's just stylistically that they differ. You obviously are deeply offended by Hillary's style, but you have to realize that not everyone is. She probably did make many mistakes, and ran a "dirtier" campaign than did Barack. That doesn't make her the devil though, and it doesn't make her supporters deluded, nor have they had the wool pulled over their eyes until now. The tone of many of your posts imply that this is the case, and it's really offensive.
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Again...I'll let someone else speak for me...
http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/...be4940ff20&p=2

Sorry, but for some reason this link does not work...the article can be found at realclearpolitics.com and is titled "Rejoice: It's the end of the Clintons" by Raymond De Souza

Definately NOT for Clinton fans.
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Predictably, you missed her point by a mile.
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Predictably, you missed her point by a mile.
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I am for one glad to be rid of the bickering. Not only here, but also between Hillary AND Obama. They have EACH been guilty of saying and doing stupid things throughout their respective campaigns.
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I agree with this:

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Why don't you try offering up discussion points? Your personal criticisms? Comments on the article/editorial? Anything but posting a random link.
Harry Vest, it would really serve you better to present some sort of a discussion, not just posting a link.

Vintage Punk, the eyerolling is a bit rude.
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why do we have an eye-rolling smiley if it's rude to use it?
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why do we have an eye-rolling smiley if it's rude to use it?
Do I really need to clarify when it's okay and when it's not to use a particular smiley? Do I seriously need to give examples of situations where it would be okay? I think we should all be able to figure that out for ourselves.

I think Vintage Punk was using it in a way that was showing rudeness towards another member. Is it really so hard to just be nice and civil towards each other when discussing things?
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I've just never seen a mod comment on it before. It was used the way it's always used.
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It shouldn't be used negatively towards other members like that, it's basically along the lines of a personal attack, being rude to another person.

I think that smiley is better used not in direct, serious response to members and their opinions. An example of when it could be used? Let's say somebody posted a link to a news article you found ridiculous. You could in response to the article. However... in response to the person who posted the article isn't appropriate.

My apologies for getting the thread off course with this. I'd rather just have the topic continue now. But I hope I have helped clarify things about the smiley though, and you can contact me outside of this thread (PM or email) if you want to discuss it more!

I'm not trying to be overly strict or anything, so I hope I don't seem uptight...just trying to keep the peace!
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I'm not trying to be overly strict or anything, so I hope I don't seem uptight...just trying to keep the peace!
I just PMed you to discuss its use in general, and in this particular case.
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