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[u2bonogirl]

Except people don't bring their cars into enclosed areas, and then turn them on with the exhaust only a foot or so away from other people.

brilliant
whose to judge whether or not somebody is joy riding or not anyway?
At least theyre not pushing the thing in a town in colorado
you cant even smoke outside

 

[hiphop]

Except people don't bring their cars into enclosed areas, and then turn them on with the exhaust only a foot or so away from other people.

doesn´t make a difference at all. i live at a street where the cars pass by. when i open my window in summer all the dust gets in.

and if you start to compare a cigarette one foot away to a car one foot away, the pollution caused by the car will be bigger. a car in 20 meters distance stinks and pollutes my lung, a smoker does not. so, really, i don´t see your point.

if you all are really so much concerened about your health, why don´t you just stop to drive around when it´s not absolutely necessary? use public transport, create a car-free city, then we can talk about smoke-free public space.

 

[u2bonogirl]

thats not an option everywhere though. some people have to commute, some people have to tote their kids around places, some people have a lot of groceries to carry home. Some people drive to visit their families
Some people get their kids on the weekend

 

[hiphop]

whose to judge whether or not somebody is joy riding or not anyway?

well then, whose to judge smokers?

we are always discredited because its so fucking en vogue.

if you (not personally speaking, just as an example) go to the next cinema by car because you want to have a cozy nice drive there with your bf, whereas you could also go with public transport, you are polluting me, dear - whereas i don´t pollute you, because i don´t drive.

why is everyone so eager on driving around and make me ill of cancer?

 

[u2bonogirl]

Im sure theyre not pointing their exhaust pipes directly at you
I dont think smokers should subject non smokers to their smoke in buildings, but they should be free to do it outside

As a person who walks when its close enough to walk to, I see where youre coming from, but dont take it so personally that people drive cars

 

[hiphop]

thats not an option everywhere though. some people have to commute, some people have to tote their kids around places, some people have a lot of groceries to carry home. Some people drive to visit their families
Some people get their kids on the weekend

in the country, i agree. but we´re talking about cities. in a city with well-maintained public transport you don´t need a car at all. if you don´t have good public transport, it can be built. if you need a car to go to work, why don´t you take three of your colleagues with you? 90%of the people who i see driving do so alone, in a car built for 5 persons.

apart from that, i didn´t say it is an option anywhere. ambulance, police, firemen, shops, etc. will need cars, trucks and else. but i am talking about the roughly 70% of drives that could be avoided.

 

[u2bonogirl]

in the country, i agree. but we´re talking about cities. in a city with well-maintained public transport you don´t need a car at all. if you don´t have good public transport, it can be built. if you need a car to go to work, why don´t you take three of your colleagues with you? 90%of the people who i see driving do so alone, in a car built for 5 persons.

apart from that, i didn´t say it is an option anywhere. ambulance, police, firemen, shops, etc. will need cars, trucks and else. but i am talking about the roughly 70% of drives that could be avoided.

I get really irritated at seeing one person in an SUV
thats so wasteful
Ive never actually lived in a place with public transport, but if I did I would take it over driving,
I hate parking

 

[hiphop]

Im sure theyre not pointing their exhaust pipes directly at you
I dont think smokers should subject non smokers to their smoke in buildings, but they should be free to do it outside

As a person who walks when its close enough to walk to, I see where youre coming from, but dont take it so personally that people drive cars

whether they exhaust pipes directly at me or not is irrelevant. it depends on what you breathe in. i also think (normal) smokers will not intentionally wave their cigs at you if you ask them to.

the title of this thread is smoke free city, which means banning smoking. i am very much for smoke reduction at work (a smoker´s room is the best alternative, compared to sending the people out into the rain to smoke), i also am for smoke free areas in restaurants bars etc., no problem.

generally, i don´t take it personal at all that people drive. but when a driver wlaks up to me talking about smoker and non smoker issues, the only thing i can say is get a fucking perspective. you pollute me day and night, to a much larger extent than i do pollute you, and you wanna tell me where i can stick my cigarette? i would be laughing if it was funny.

 

[hiphop]

I get really irritated at seeing one person in an SUV
thats so wasteful
Ive never actually lived in a place with public transport, but if I did I would take it over driving,
I hate parking

yeah

see, you´re a nice girl. you see my point of view

 

[u2bonogirl]

aw shucks

 

[hiphop]

aw shucks

aaaaawww

 

[u2bonogirl]

Im such an FYM dork. I just like making friends which is terrible for debating
Thanks for tolerating me while I try and learn a thing or two about politics

 

[hiphop]

Im such an FYM dork. I just like making friends which is terrible for debating
Thanks for tolerating me while I try and learn a thing or two about politics

you are an innocent ray of light in the dark halls of intellectuality poops and academic arrogance.

we love to have you here. please post as much as you want

 

[u2bonogirl]

I feel like I have nothing intelligent to say to most of the people in here
But at least I have something different to say sometimes

"intellectuality poops and academic arrogance" that cracked me up

 

[Sue DeNym]

I think it's good for one reason. When someone smokes in public, it doesn't just affect the smoker. No, instead, their smoke spreads everywhere, and not only does it possibly cause cancer, but some people are genuinely allergic to it.

I can't handle cigarette smoke; it gives me breathing problems and headaches. And no matter how carefully you plan a restaurant, the smoke from the smoking section always drifts over to the nonsmoking section, ruining both the taste of the food and the atmosphere (in all senses of the word).

Smoking outside is okay; the wind will eventually dissipate it. But inside, it just sits there, stinking up the air and settling into the drapes/furniture/carpet/other people's clothes and hair.

 

[Moonlit_Angel]

And no matter how carefully you plan a restaurant, the smoke from the smoking section always drifts over to the nonsmoking section, ruining both the taste of the food and the atmosphere (in all senses of the word).

I've been to restaurants where there's non-smoking sections, and I can only think of, like, one time for sure, maybe two, where I could still smell the smoke from the smoking sections. Other than that, I've been able to eat my food just fine, and haven't had smoke from the smoking section wafting in. And that's been in restaurants that aren't exactly huge and spread out, either.

Angela

 

[Angela Harlem]

anti smokers need to be fucking banned. or at least to get off their crosses. i'm all for banning smoking everywhere. smokers have the same rights as anyone else, but im sick of hearing people crying about it. we can post up pics of endangered fish (this is NOT a comment to you personally trevster, i know your aim was the fish itself) and no one bats an eye. make jokes. we dont care about the environment or our health when it is convenient. we do when it serves a great purpose- to have a great big old belly-ache. well belly-ache it up your arses. smoking is only one of many things which directly harm us all, but we dont all get up in the same fervent arms over it, do we? im all for banning it. i used to smoke, never in public or around others. especially in the presence of those who didnt smoke. the only times i smoked outside my own house was when i was in an already smoke filled pub or other such alcohol reaking venue. but smokers can do without. no one needs to smoke. the danger it poses to everyone is the big issue. like alcohol and pollution. lets keep it balanced.

 

[beegee]

las vegas will never ban smoking, thank god. some of the casinos have smoke free areas, but i can't imagine that it will ever be banned completely.

 

[Liesje]

I can't handle cigarette smoke; it gives me breathing problems and headaches. And no matter how carefully you plan a restaurant, the smoke from the smoking section always drifts over to the nonsmoking section, ruining both the taste of the food and the atmosphere (in all senses of the word).

This has been my experience as well. I can't think of a time I've been to a restaurant that had smoking and non-smoking sections, asked to be seated in non-smoking, and not had to throw all of my clothes and my jacket in the wash as soon as I got home. The one place that really irks me is Applebees. OK, so they have a bar where you can smoke, but they advertise and market themselves as a neighborhood family restaurant. The non-smoking section simply wraps around the smoking area and is higher up, so all of the smoke drifts up to the non-smoking booths. Sometimes, when it's full, I say I'll take a smoking table rather than wait, and it's not as bad as the non-smoking section. I just don't understand why what some people like to do to relax and have a good time needs to spoil it for everyone else. I like to play with my cats to relax, so can I bring my cats to Applebees for dinner next time?

I also agree w/ you, Angela. My dad smokes a pack a day, but he only smokes at home, hiding out in the farthest corner of the yard and would NEVER light up at a restaurant or bar. There are plenty of considerate smokers out there (well, smoking is not really considerate to yourselves and family, but...) where the general public is concerned.

 

[briarrose]

This is a great idea. Many people have breathing problems, like asthma, and being around smokers only hurts those people. I would love it if cigarrettes were banned altogether.

 

[A_Wanderer]

Let people smoke ~ cigarettes, pipes, cigars and cigarillo's: the dangers are well known and the facts are out there so if people want too then let them. Have resteraunts where people can smoke, have bars and clubs where people can smoke, have outside space where people can smoke.

 

[nbcrusader]

I don't mind people smoking. Only when they exhale.

 

[U2@NYC]

I guess it seems to be a question of majority. More smoke-free cities are appearing in the U.S., where not as many people smoke (partially due to higher taxes on cigarettes). I think smokefree cities will never happen in Europe or Latin America since the number of people who smoke there is just too high.

HipHop, I follow your argument about the driving and perhaps buying hybrid cars that can run on electric power in the city could help. However, a key difference, that I think Bonogirl already pointed out, is that some people drive because they have to, as public transportation does not cover every single place in a large city. On a different note, smoking is generally a choice and that is, in my opinion, a key difference.

 

[Moonlit_Angel]

I would love it if cigarrettes were banned altogether.

You mean like when alcohol was banned in the 20s?

Angela

 

[I'm Ready]

Smoking Bans: For or Against

I Know atleast chicago is thinking about banning smoking in public places

im heavily for anything that would ban smoking mainly because i cant stand the smell

(mods: if some one posted something like this earlier just revive old thread or merge them)

 

[dandy]

http://forum.interference.com/t132862.html

 

[I'm Ready]

http://forum.interference.com/t132862.html

ok i wonder why i didnt see that

 

[financeguy]

From my one and only visit to Chicago a few years ago they seemed to be pretty fond of their cigars!

I'm not sure how this proposed ban is going to do down.

 

[Sicy]

Sorry but I think its ridiculous. Cant smoke OUTSIDE now?? Where the hell are you supposed to smoke?

I cant stand the smell of dog shit, does that mean dogs should no longer be allowed to crap outside?

 

[Sicy]

btw I'll move and merge this thread.