Is Palin failin' ? or OMG McCain wins with Palin !! pt. 3 - Page 23 - U2 Feedback

Go Back   U2 Feedback > Lypton Village > Free Your Mind > Free Your Mind Archive
Click Here to Login
 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 09-26-2008, 06:10 PM   #441
Blue Crack Addict
 
U2Fanatic4ever's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: nowhere..........man
Posts: 20,254
Local Time: 06:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Irvine511 View Post
we're just going to a lesbian housewarming.

those don't tend to get too wild


well, in that case then, don't get too bored.. drink some wine and eat some good food then..
__________________

U2Fanatic4ever is offline  
Old 09-26-2008, 06:13 PM   #442
Blue Crack Addict
 
Dalton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Little hand says it's time to rock and roll.
Posts: 15,153
Local Time: 05:37 AM
I for one hate the gays.

My life was fine until you guys got all mainstream. Now I've got to know what 'cut' my jeans are. I've got to know how to dance. I've got to listen to women. They want me to groom.

Fuck you all (not literally of course).
__________________

Dalton is offline  
Old 09-26-2008, 06:14 PM   #443
Blue Crack Supplier
 
dazzledbylight's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: in the sound dancing - w Bono & Edge :D
Posts: 34,820
Local Time: 06:37 AM
Thanks for posting this Mrs Springsteen.....
I don't usually get to read her columns for the past several years.

[QUOTE=MrsSpringsteen;5471518]

Bumping up against the limits of female bonding
By Ellen Goodman | September 19, 2008

".......What finally sent her over the top was the poster. There was Sarah Palin as Rosie the Riveter, flexing her biceps under the motto: "We Can Do It!" The image was the same on the T-shirt my friend had left over from the primaries - but with a crucial difference.

"They've Photoshopped Sarah over Hillary. And women are falling for this!" she bellowed into my voicemail.........."

Frak it!
That one I hadn't heard yet......

Quote:
Originally Posted by MrsSpringsteen View Post
".......Three weeks after the nomination of the Candidate from Nowhere, there is still a flood tide of women choking on the possibility that Hillary Clinton paved the way for Sarah Palin. At the same time, there are snarky charges of "hypocrisy" and sneers at "sisterhood" from the right........"
I never would have voted for Maggie Thatcher, thank you very much!

It's the twisted effect -if Palin did end up as Prez, for her to go about with her Christian Dominists/Reconstructionists [ and you'll should google THEM up, if you've never heard that term- I was informed, oh, about ?2 -3 yrs ago, and did google them up I knew The Christian RIght was bad for women// GL/B/TG// other Christian Denominations// Catholics// let alone- people of other Faiths & Atheists, -- but eeeyyyiiii--- #Danger# #Danger# for all of the USA & the whole world! ] with their kind of plans would most likely remove women from most (if not all) positions of any power. And worst to come of all others mentions.

Sort of like Clarence Thomas pulling the Ladder of Affirmative Action (after he got his help) up after him.

I have heard that her husband ( Husaband as "Head of Household" ) had a fair amount of say in her Governership's working. He of the secessionist's movement for Alaska.

Quote:
Originally Posted by MrsSpringsteen View Post
"........ It's time to remember the suffragists who worked their whole lives to win the vote for women, believing that their vote could change the country. *And then despaired of those women voting just like their conservative husbands. It's time to recall the civil wars of the second-wave feminists and the mommy wars of today. Solidarity is not forever, it's not even for high school. ......"
*altered to highlight
se above comments
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrsSpringsteen View Post
".......During this primary, Democratic women were often divided by generation. Many edgy conversations and strained family dinners took place between older women supporting Clinton and younger women supporting Obama. Mothers thought daughters had abandoned the women's movement. Daughters told mothers they'd been liberated to vote for the person, not the gender............."
My first choice was Edwards because he talked about "the two Americas", and when he dropped out-- listening to a lot of stuff on liberal radio station, more conservative local newspapers, I really saw Positives & Negatives for both Hillary, and Barack. In their positions and how they might do against (then) Future Republican Presidential Candidate.

I chose Hillary, but barely after taking around 2 mins in the booth. Then I wondered as I walked out of the school polling place if I should have voted for Barack.
I know would have thought the same thing if I had voted for Barack.

WHile I did have a bit of an echo of disappointment when Barack did win. Why of many circumstances did two very serious "Firsts" have to end up running against each other!
I was also thrilled to watch and listen to Barack ( & Michelle ) at the convention. Hillary also gave a roaring speech, as did Bill (but he just said something NOT HELPUL at his CGI yesterday. )

[QUOTE=MrsSpringsteen;5471518]".......After all, Palin may yet be the fulfillment of an old feminist prophecy that Texan Sissy Farenthold once described with her tongue firmly planted in her cheek. We will have achieved equality the day mediocre women take their place beside mediocre men. Check that one off the to-do list. " /QUOTE]

We can well DO WITHOUT THAT particular wry observation/ result at this time!!!
dazzledbylight is offline  
Old 09-26-2008, 06:18 PM   #444
Blue Crack Supplier
 
Irvine511's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 33,395
Local Time: 06:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dalton View Post
Fuck you all (not literally of course).

this post, combined with your Swayze obsession, makes you about as in the bathroom stall closet as Larry Craig.






i know you want me.
Irvine511 is offline  
Old 09-26-2008, 06:19 PM   #445
Blue Crack Addict
 
Dalton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Little hand says it's time to rock and roll.
Posts: 15,153
Local Time: 05:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Irvine511 View Post
this post, combined with your Swayze obsession, makes you about as in the bathroom stall closet as Larry Craig.






i know you want me.

I SWEAR TO GOD, I was only trying to reach some toilet paper with my foot. That big muscular guy with an angular jaw by my bed? He's a masseuse.
Dalton is offline  
Old 09-26-2008, 06:22 PM   #446
Blue Crack Addict
 
Dalton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Little hand says it's time to rock and roll.
Posts: 15,153
Local Time: 05:37 AM
BTW - Irvine why does it take half naked, wet men to get you out of FYM.

There is fun to be had all over this lemonade stand and your humor is appreciated.
Dalton is offline  
Old 09-26-2008, 06:23 PM   #447
Blue Crack Distributor
 
VintagePunk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: In a dry and waterless place
Posts: 55,738
Local Time: 05:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dalton View Post
I SWEAR TO GOD, I was only trying to reach some toilet paper with my foot. That big muscular guy with an angular jaw by my bed? He's a masseuse.
The very fact that you described another man as having "an angular jaw" is revealing.
VintagePunk is offline  
Old 09-26-2008, 06:24 PM   #448
Blue Crack Distributor
 
Lila64's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: ♥Set List Lane♥
Posts: 52,894
Local Time: 03:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dalton View Post
I SWEAR TO GOD, I was only trying to reach some toilet paper with my foot. That big muscular guy with an angular jaw by my bed? He's a masseuse.



I think it moved
Lila64 is offline  
Old 09-26-2008, 06:25 PM   #449
Blue Crack Addict
 
Dalton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Little hand says it's time to rock and roll.
Posts: 15,153
Local Time: 05:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by VintagePunk View Post
The very fact that you described another man as having "an angular jaw" is revealing.
What?

Dalton is offline  
Old 09-26-2008, 06:27 PM   #450
Resident Photo Buff
Forum Moderator
 
Diemen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Somewhere in middle America
Posts: 13,663
Local Time: 05:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by anitram View Post


Diemen can buy me dinner anytime.
Deal.
Diemen is offline  
Old 09-26-2008, 06:39 PM   #451
Resident Photo Buff
Forum Moderator
 
Diemen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Somewhere in middle America
Posts: 13,663
Local Time: 05:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Strongbow View Post
All you have to do is go back to when Palin was first selected and examine the reasons why people in here stated she was unqualified to be Vice President. All of the reasons listed had to do with her years and level of elective office experience. The size of the town where she held elective office and the size of the state where she held elective office were also mentioned.

If you don't believe me, I can go back and dig up the qoutes including your own.
Once again all nuance escapes you. Prior to her being interviewed, you are right, a lot of us looked at her experience and deemed her not worthy. That may have been premature. However, you will note that prior to her being picked she had absolutely NO publicly held views on several key national issues - foreign policy, the economy, education, etc, etc, etc - and that was quite a hint to the rest of us that those things weren't even on her radar as governor of Alaska. But I will grant you that if we judged her purely on her experience on paper, that would be premature.

However, it's not really about experience on paper - and that is clearly NOT what we are exclusively judging her on. It's about preparedness for the challenges that face you should you win. And in every single interview I've read and seen of hers, at every opportunity she has had to publicly demonstrate her grasp of the issues, she has instead demonstrated a clear lack of understanding, an inability to think on her feet and a devastatingly poor ability to articulate clear, intelligent and logical answers to relatively straightforward questions.

At this point I wouldn't care if her experience list was extensive, she has clearly demonstrated that she's out of her league.

I will say no more to you on this issue, because I know it won't make any difference with you anyway.
Diemen is offline  
Old 09-26-2008, 06:40 PM   #452
Blue Crack Supplier
 
dazzledbylight's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: in the sound dancing - w Bono & Edge :D
Posts: 34,820
Local Time: 06:37 AM
oh well.........doing 'puter art, too, where I am on line........

will have to read more of this thread next week
dazzledbylight is offline  
Old 09-26-2008, 06:49 PM   #453
Blue Crack Supplier
 
Irvine511's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 33,395
Local Time: 06:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dalton View Post
BTW - Irvine why does it take half naked, wet men to get you out of FYM.

There is fun to be had all over this lemonade stand and your humor is appreciated.


i appreciate the kind words. it's usually a time management thing. i only really have time to shake my fist in here and then read WTAHNN and get apathetic. i know it looks like i spend most of my day in here, but i do a lot of writing, and i just log on and post quickly and then log off before someone walks by my desk.

unless, like today, i write from home. then i can stay logged in to xtube many different sites.
Irvine511 is offline  
Old 09-26-2008, 06:52 PM   #454
Blue Crack Supplier
 
Irvine511's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 33,395
Local Time: 06:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Diemen View Post
That may have been premature.

except that i don't think it was. it was an indication that she'd done no preparation in any public way for the office of the VP. she had no positions. none. so we waited to see if she had something to offer. and she didn't. so, our initial instincts, which were *always* made with qualifications and the knowledge that, yes, things could turn out differently, have turned out to be absolutely spot on. she has no opinions. she's done no thinking. she's borne that well out in public.

of course, as is the case here, the qualifications and nuances are going to be ignored in a pathetic attempt to "prove" that you were somehow "wrong" when you speculated and offered thoughts on something.
Irvine511 is offline  
Old 09-26-2008, 06:57 PM   #455
Blue Crack Supplier
 
Irvine511's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 33,395
Local Time: 06:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by VintagePunk View Post
The very fact that you described another man as having "an angular jaw" is revealing.


who remembers that ZS "Top Gun" thread?

Irvine511 is offline  
Old 09-26-2008, 07:02 PM   #456
Resident Photo Buff
Forum Moderator
 
Diemen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Somewhere in middle America
Posts: 13,663
Local Time: 05:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Irvine511 View Post
except that i don't think it was.
I was being generous.

And qualified it with her complete lack of publicly held views on important issues, which as you say were a good indication that national political issues weren't really on her radar. Which was confirmed once she started talking.
Diemen is offline  
Old 09-26-2008, 07:05 PM   #457
Blue Crack Supplier
 
Irvine511's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 33,395
Local Time: 06:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Diemen View Post
I was being generous.

And qualified it with her complete lack of publicly held views on important issues, which as you say were a good indication that national political issues weren't really on her radar. Which was confirmed once she started talking.

i hear you.

from the way things look, all McCain's got left is racism and people who want to put an end to the baby killin'.

oh no! did i say something that sounded like a projection based upon the information we now have that the polls are starting to break very much in Obama's favor and he's up by, like, 5 in VA! you realize that if he goes down by a point or two in VA then i will have been WRONG!
Irvine511 is offline  
Old 09-26-2008, 07:14 PM   #458
Blue Crack Addict
 
U2Fanatic4ever's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: nowhere..........man
Posts: 20,254
Local Time: 06:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Irvine511 View Post
i hear you.

from the way things look, all McCain's got left is racism and people who want to put an end to the baby killin'.

oh no! did i say something that sounded like a projection based upon the information we now have that the polls are starting to break very much in Obama's favor and he's up by, like, 5 in VA! you realize that if he goes down by a point or two in VA then i will have been WRONG!


ooo and he has the whole iraq thing.. I mean eye-rack thing...
U2Fanatic4ever is offline  
Old 09-26-2008, 07:23 PM   #459
Refugee
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Winnipeg, Canada
Posts: 2,455
Local Time: 05:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreadsox View Post
SHe is not as good as she seemed. And that was many a posters point in here. Wait, lets see how she interviews and god forbid....debates.

Want a conspiracy? McCain was hoping he would get away with moving tonight to next week to cancel her debate.
I'll up you on the conspiracy...she's been acting so dumb and then all of a sudden at the debate she'll blow Biden away. Like she would a moose. Just kidding
Harry Vest is offline  
Old 09-26-2008, 11:01 PM   #460
Rock n' Roll Doggie
 
BonosSaint's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 3,566
Local Time: 06:37 AM
Quote:
September 26, 2008, 8:11 pm

Curbing Their Enthusiasm
By Kate Phillips
The drip, drip, drip of bad reviews keep falling this week against Gov. Sarah Palin, whose two-day segments of interviews with CBS’ Katie Couric have weakened conservatives’ initial embrace and enthusiasm for the vice-presidential nominee. As if Senator John McCain already hadn’t faced a rough week, which started with conservative columnist George Will bemoaning the Republican candidate’s positions on the economic bailout and suggesting Mr. McCain may be unfit to be president.

Now, conservatives have never warmed to Senator McCain this time around, but they were wowed by Mr. McCain’s selection of Ms. Palin as his running mate and at first, circled the wagons to defend her, despite her lack of foreign policy experience. She talked their values and represented small-town America, something neither ticket had offered to anyone before she surfaced.

But it seems a watershed moment occurred online earlier today when Kathleen Parker, a writer for TownHall.com, reversed her initial support for the Republican vice-presidential nominee and said Ms. Palin should drop out. Put the country first, she basically advised, by saying you need to go take care of your family first.

In a devastating assessment, Ms. Parker writes:

Palin didn’t make a mess cracking the glass ceiling. She simply glided through it.

It was fun while it lasted.

Palin’s recent interviews with Charles Gibson, Sean Hannity, and now Katie Couric have all revealed an attractive, earnest, confident candidate. Who Is Clearly Out Of Her League.

No one hates saying that more than I do. Like so many women, I’ve been pulling for Palin, wishing her the best, hoping she will perform brilliantly. I’ve also noticed that I watch her interviews with the held breath of an anxious parent, my finger poised over the mute button in case it gets too painful. Unfortunately, it often does. My cringe reflex is exhausted.

And then Ms. Parker winds it up, turning the backlash against women who criticize women on its head:

If Palin were a man, we’d all be guffawing, just as we do every time Joe Biden tickles the back of his throat with his toes. But because she’s a woman — and the first ever on a Republican presidential ticket — we are reluctant to say what is painfully true.

What to do?

McCain can’t repudiate his choice for running mate. He not only risks the wrath of the G.O.P.’s unforgiving base, but he invites others to second-guess his executive decision-making ability. Barack Obama faces the same problem with Biden.

Only Palin can save McCain, her party, and the country she loves. She can bow out for personal reasons, perhaps because she wants to spend more time with her newborn. No one would criticize a mother who puts her family first.

Do it for your country.

The National Review’s Kathryn Jean Lopez chimed in: “I don’t know Sarah Palin. Having missed the last cruise to Alaska, I’ve actually never met her. National Review wasn’t on her list of stops this week in New York. So I can’t pretend to know what her wiring is all about. But I know I like a lot of what I’ve heard her say. I also know a lot of what I like about her could be projection. I’m not where my friend Kathleen Parker is — wanting her to step aside to spend more time with her family and Alaska — but that’s not a crazy suggestion. She’s right to say that something’s gotta change.”

Ms. Parker’s words fell like dead weight on top of earlier columns this week on the right-leaning side of the blogosphere about the McCain-Palin ticket.

In a column on Thursday, conservative Rich Lowry compared Senator McCain to the “proverbial cartoon character over the edge of the cliff, in midair, desperately flapping his arms and somehow maintaining altitude.” Mr. McCain, he continues, has been “making moves that mark him as different, but can be seen as risky or gimmicky.” One of those moves, according to Mr. Lowry, was adding Governor Palin to the Republican ticket:

Does Palin know enough to be a national candidate right now? No, but she can be mostly walled off from the press. Will attacking Obama on Fannie and Freddie open McCain to attack because one of his top aides lobbied for the organizations? Yes, but he can bulldog through it. Is going to Washington going to help much of anything? Probably not, but the symbolism matters. All the unconventional moves risk eroding McCain’s reputation as a steady hand, but the alternative is simply being overwhelmed by the gravitational pull of the public’s desire for change.

And at The American Spectator, Philip Klein twice reviewed Governor Palin’s interviews this week. At first, he said: “Her answer that not supporting a bailout could mean a Great Depression was off message and irresponsible. For the rest of the interview, it was just lots of tired cliches, and random jargon that made it seem as if she was reading off of mental index cards. I know a lot of conservatives like Sarah Palin and always rush to her defense. But it’s absolutely not meant as an insult to say that she simply is not ready to be a heartbeat away from the presidency.”

But in a second take, Mr. Klein came away a little bit less judgmental about some of her answers, but said he wasn’t swayed away from her not being qualified. Still, he added: “What I am saying is that Palin is in a situation in which she has to field questions on a lot of subjects that she doesn’t know a lot about. Rather than try to spit out rehearsed lines over and over again, she would be better off, as much as possible, to speak in her own words, rooted in her own values, and sense of right and wrong.”

The Times’s David Brooks earlier challenged conservatives who were thrilled by the Palin pick, supporting her “on the grounds that something that feels so good could not possibly be wrong” — even though others have raised serious doubts about her qualifications. In his Sept. 15 column, Mr. Brooks made an argument for the importance of “prudence.” He asked:

“What is prudence? It is the ability to grasp the unique pattern of a specific situation. It is the ability to absorb the vast flow of information and still discern the essential current of events — the things that go together and the things that will never go together. It is the ability to engage in complex deliberations and feel which arguments have the most weight.”

So, does Governor Palin have it? Mr. Brooks wrote: “Sarah Palin has many virtues. If you wanted someone to destroy a corrupt establishment, she’d be your woman. But the constructive act of governance is another matter. She has not been engaged in national issues, does not have a repertoire of historic patterns and, like President Bush, she seems to compensate for her lack of experience with brashness and excessive decisiveness.”
Curbing Their Enthusiasm - The Caucus Blog - NYTimes.com
__________________

BonosSaint is offline  
 

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:37 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Design, images and all things inclusive copyright © Interference.com
×