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Old 03-29-2011, 09:01 PM   #241
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How on earth is a country BOTH secular atheist and radical Islamist. . .that makes no sense?
You know those boneheaded T-shirts and bumper stickers that say "Christ is the answer--what was the question?" That's basically the thinking here; the common denominator is that invoking either scenario makes evangelical conservatives panic. His PR people will say he just left out an "or," and that will satisfy his admirers, who aren't concerned by the fact those hypotheticals involve radically different social trajectories because they're only looking at the fantasy ideal being departed from.
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How on earth is a country BOTH secular atheist and radical Islamist. . .that makes no sense?


Gingrich fancies himself an intellectual. i'm just saying.

what a pathetic bunch these GOP nominees are.

sure, you can crank up the base for the midterms, but when the leaders of your party, the one's running for the presidency, are so awful, you know that you're rotten from within.

i suppose this gives me hope, in a weird way. the country seems to do a bit better with divided government, especially with a Democrat in the White House. so the Republicans can keep the house, and we'll get Obama again in '12, and perhaps Andrew Cuomo in '16, and continue from there.
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Gingrich fancies himself an intellectual. i'm just saying.

what a pathetic bunch these GOP nominees are.

sure, you can crank up the base for the midterms, but when the leaders of your party, the one's running for the presidency, are so awful, you know that you're rotten from within.

i suppose this gives me hope, in a weird way. the country seems to do a bit better with divided government, especially with a Democrat in the White House. so the Republicans can keep the house, and we'll get Obama again in '12, and perhaps Andrew Cuomo in '16, and continue from there.
Ahem.
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the country seems to do a bit better with divided government, especially with a Democrat in the White House. so the Republicans can keep the house, and we'll get Obama again in '12, and perhaps Andrew Cuomo in '16, and continue from there.
This. I've always thought it was good to have a left-leaning President who functions as a visionary, while a more conservative Congress figures out how to institute those policies.
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This. I've always thought it was good to have a left-leaning President who functions as a visionary, while a more conservative Congress figures out how to institute those policies.


agreed. the 1990s look positively sun-drenched idyllic these days.
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Yeah, that must be it. Um-if we had even more people competing for the fewer jobs..how exactly would that work?

By HOLLY RAMER, Associated Press

CONCORD, N.H. – In his latest trip to New Hampshire, Republican Rick Santorum says the Social Security system would be in much better shape if there were fewer abortions.

The former Pennsylvania senator and potential presidential candidate was asked about Social Security during an interview on WESZ-AM radio in Laconia on Tuesday morning.

He says the system has design flaws, but the reason it is in big trouble is that there aren't enough workers to support retirees. He blamed that on what he called the nation's abortion culture. He says that culture, coupled with policies that do not support families, deny America what it needs — more people.

Santorum has been a frequent visitor to New Hampshire, which holds the earliest presidential primary.
Jon Stewart said it best: if the Baby Boomers had just been aborted at a higher rate, we wouldn't have as many people to support.
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he's aged well, though. all that oil retains the skin's youthful glow.
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You know those boneheaded T-shirts and bumper stickers that say "Christ is the answer--what was the question?" That's basically the thinking here; the common denominator is that invoking either scenario makes evangelical conservatives panic. His PR people will say he just left out an "or," and that will satisfy his admirers, who aren't concerned by the fact those hypotheticals involve radically different social trajectories because they're only looking at the fantasy ideal being departed from.

I guess I'm a bonehead.

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I guess I'm a bonehead.

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how Libertarian could you be if you think that everybody should be a Christian?
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Iron horse, I take it you're a conservative libertarian?
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Iron horse, I take it you're a conservative libertarian?


what is a conservative libertarian? seems like a contradiction in terms. if you're really a libertarian, bring on the sex and drugs and atheism.
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Iron horse, I take it you're a conservative libertarian?
Shouldn't a libertarian not lean left or right?

This is why the libertarians fail, they can't even seem to define themselves.

Iron horse is a propagandist, nothing more nothing less.
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Shouldn't a libertarian not lean left or right?

This is why the libertarians fail, they can't even seem to define themselves.

Iron horse is a propagandist, nothing more nothing less.
My uncle is a self-described conservative libertarian. I don't think he truly understands what a libertarian is though; he's conservative on social issues, supports the war on terror, etc. Yet he reads all these books on libertarians. Idk, I don't really get it.
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I see a lot of people cherry-picking issues and calling themselves libertarian.

Something like:
  • Don't want the government to take my guns
  • Support the war on terror
  • Support religion to dictate how people other than myself should live their lives
  • Still want to cash my social security checks



I feel the U.S. has a lot of citizens worried about the wrong shit, and a big reason is that the current Republican party has convinced the middle class that it's at war with the poor, inner city class (oh, and communism, still). Pretty effective smokescreen. Meanwhile, corporations are now considered to be individuals.
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The boundaries are as undefined as the objective standard for 'proper size of Govt'. It's an ongoing debate.

True Libertarians of any stripe are hard to find but especially in the public sphere (politicians). Because most on the Right or Left that call themselves Libertarian just have libertarian views and want to say "I'm not some ideologue wacko like those other people!" Still doesn't make them true Libertarian.

Of course 'degree of Govt intrusion' is a tough line to distinguish.
One person's 'Big Bad Govt' is another's 'Moderate Necessity'. Like gun control...I am a civil libertarian in the sense that I think it's a right that shouldn't be revoked but I'm also in favor or regulation for safety concerns. So I can't call myself Libertarian on that issue...not really.

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what is a conservative libertarian? seems like a contradiction in terms. if you're really a libertarian, bring on the sex and drugs and atheism.
People mostly aren't aware that it really doesn't refer specifically to Left/Right politics or those issues, but how you believe w/r/t Govt's role. So you can be a conservative or liberal libertarian, they are just few and far between.

You can have libertarian views - I certainly have them - but you can't demand intrusive Govt (directly in your private affairs) and then call yourself a Libertarian. That goes for those that support gun control or support engaging in needless battles across the globe to enforce democracy on other countries.

Bill Maher, obviously a liberal, calls himself a libertarian and supports the idea that the Govt should FORCE you to buy health insurance. But he's not a Libertarian NOT because he's a liberal (on any given social stance) but because he advocates for heavy Govt interference on that issue. He calls himself a libertarian because he's not a Leftist moron and doesn't want to be considered in the same breath with Leftist morons like Michael Moore.

Believe it or not, you can have conservative views and still believe it's not up to the Govt to enforce them. Libertarians, like Authoritarians (practically ALL Democrats and Republicans) certainly can lean Left or Right. Ron Paul seems to be the best example of a Conservative Libertarian but even then, I believe (don't know for certain) he thinks abortion should be dealt with at the State level. Which is still Govt intrusion.

I think people like Iron Horse are libertarian on a lot of issues...but there isn't that much of a difference if you're just picking and choosing which Big Govt programs you like. It's hard to be a principled Libertarian. Civil liberties is my #1 issue...but I can't call myself a Libertarian because I care about poor people and the elderly enough to think we need those social safety nets.

However on a lot of other issues, I would agree with Iron Horse.
Well...I'm not remotely a Fundamental Christian but on individual liberties, yes.

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I feel the U.S. has a lot of citizens worried about the wrong shit, and a big reason is that the current Republican party has convinced the middle class that it's at war with the poor, inner city class (oh, and communism, still). Pretty effective smokescreen. Meanwhile, corporations are now considered to be individuals.
The real problem is that BOTH of those parties 1) have a stranglehold on control and 2) are corporate behemoths unto themselves.

Pointing the finger at the Big Bad Republicans, misses the point. The alternative isn't any better because they are ineffective. So even if those people voted in their best interest (as many did in '06 and '08) what are they getting? Mostly more of the same...and compounded by the idea that the stuff that WILL help them, is incompetent.

Such as the HC bill that will likely be ruled unconstitutional.
That's it in a nutshell, really. Shitty vs Shittier.
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NEW YORK (Reuters) - Republican Mitt Romney has drawn almost even with President Barack Obama in a new poll asking U.S. voters who they would support if the two men ran against each other in the 2012 U.S. presidential election.

The McClatchy-Marist poll released Wednesday showed Obama with the support of 46 percent of 1,084 registered voters surveyed, compared to 45 percent for Romney, in a hypothetical match-up between the Democratic president and the Republican who is exploring a possible presidential run.

Nine percent of respondants said they were undecided. In a January poll, Obama led Romney 51 percent to 38 percent.

Romney, the former governor of Massachusetts, this month formed an exploratory committee to raise money for a challenge to Obama in the 2012 election.

The poll offered more sobering news for Obama. Forty-four percent of the registered voters questioned said they definitely plan to vote against Obama in 2012, while 37 percent said they definitely plan to vote for him and 18 percent were unsure.

Obama, who has announced plans to seek re-election, holds bigger leads over other possible Republican challengers than against Romney, according to the McClatchy-Marist poll.

Obama led former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee 48 percent to 43 percent with 9 percent undecided. Huckabee has said he will wait until summer to make a decision on whether to seek the Republican nomination to face Obama.

Pitted against former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin, Obama led 56 percent to 34 percent with 10 percent undecided.

Obama held a similar lead against real estate tycoon Donald Trump -- 54 percent to 38 percent with 8 percent undecided. Trump has been flirting with a 2012 presidential run.

Romney led the potential Republican field when poll respondents who described themselves as Republicans or Republican-leaning independents were asked who they would vote for if the party's presidential primary was held today. Romney drew the support of 18 percent, followed by Huckabee with 17 percent and Trump with 13 percent.

"If there is a silver lining for his (Obama's) re-election, it's the lack of clarity in the GOP field,'' said Lee Miringoff, director of the Marist College Institute for Public Opinion, referring to the potential Republican candidates.

The poll had a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.
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Obviously all Republicans aren't like these people-and I love South Carolina, I've been there several times. They said crazy, I didn't I wonder if Michele Bachmann picked up the flag..Romney doesn't even register in SC, not even with the guy with the Red Sox hat.


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Republican Mitt Romney has drawn almost even with President Barack Obama in a new poll asking U.S. voters who they would support if the two men ran against each other in the 2012 U.S. presidential election.
Barring the entry of some strong new candidate into the field, I'll be astounded if the GOP doesn't rally around Romney by primary time. I can't stand Mitt Romney, but the notion that anyone could find Palin or Trump preferable to him as presidential material leaves me utterly gobsmacked. Huckabee I can understand a little better, he was a competent governor, it's mostly when he turns to foreign policy (or dips his toe into birtherism) that he starts to sound politically suicidal.

Long time to go yet though...
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