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Old 09-30-2016, 12:39 PM   #621
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his willingness to be baited into petty attacks proves he is in no way fit to wield authority.

this really gets to the heart of it, and the question i would pose to any Trump supporter: how can you trust this man with national security?

i fully accept that Trump represents "change," and he's given voice to a populism attractive to those who have felt left behind by globalization.

but doesn't this manic 3am tweeting gossip render him totally unfit any sort of security clearance? that everything you might like about him doesn't matter because of this stuff?

seriously.

this is a surreal campaign. W Bush represented lots of bad things -- indifference to knowledge, and a terrifying incursion of conservative Christianity into the White House. but it was all within the realm of what we could call "responsible" governance. (and i can't believe that i'm almost defending W Bush, of all people). McCain and Romney were all credible public servants. Trump belongs in the same dustbin as Palin.
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Old 09-30-2016, 12:43 PM   #622
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Old 09-30-2016, 02:38 PM   #623
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Guys, Donald Trump wants us to watch a sex tape starring the beauty contestant he fat shamed.
I'd ask for a link to the story, but don't think I could stomach what I would end up reading.
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McCain and Romney were all credible public servants. Trump belongs in the same dustbin as Palin.
I was thinking this other day. Romney looks damn good as a Republican candidate in retrospect, which is something I never expected myself to be thinking, no less saying out loud.
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Old 09-30-2016, 02:51 PM   #625
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Romney probably wouldn't have been that terrible a president. He'd serve the corporate class, which is basically the status quo but I think he had little interest in invading places and as a Mormon probably even less interest in courting the Christian right. Obviously against Obama he stood no real chance but compared to the 16 or 17 clowns that graced the stage this time he was a statesman.
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Yeah, I miss Mittens.
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If it all wasn't disturbing enough. The fact that these tweets came between 3 and 5am is actually kind of terrifying when you think about it.
Imagine someone with absolutely no self control. Someone who cannot let the smallest slight go. Someone who has never apologized or admitted doing something wrong in his life. A guy that won't listen to anyone around him no matter what they say, and usually just ends up replacing them. (I've heard rumblings that "the family" isn't happy with his management yet again)
And then imagine him in the Oval office or situation room with some really big shit going down.

So much is laughed off about this baffoon. But the reality is really scary.
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Old 09-30-2016, 03:10 PM   #628
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If anyone is interested in latest polling. Looks like Clinton is getting a bump from the debate.
some are mid and post debate, but National polls ranging from Clinton plus 3 to plus 10.
Nevada - Clinton plus 5. Florida - Clinton plus 2 and plus 4. and looks like gains in NC, CO, and MI.

The interesting one is the Times Picayune poll. Poll taken pre/mid debate had Clinton plus 5 Nationally. Then did one post debate and have her up 10.

Will be interesting to see how the other polls shake out by midweek next week.
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Just wait for the Wikileaks!!!!! Game Changer!!!! You won't believe what's in the emails!

I can't wait to see what trap Clinton sets for Trump next.

Clinton is a known commodity. I really doubt we're going to hear a giant bombshell in the next 30+ days that we haven't already heard, or no worse than what we've heard.

But with Trump, you know people are digging around and the DNC/Clinton team will keep releasing more and more shit on him as we get closer.

They did so brilliantly with Ms Universe
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Just wait for the Wikileaks!!!!! Game Changer!!!! You won't believe what's in the emails!

I can't wait to see what trap Clinton sets for Trump next.

Clinton is a known commodity. I really doubt we're going to hear a giant bombshell in the next 30+ days that we haven't already heard, or no worse than what we've heard.

But with Trump, you know people are digging around and the DNC/Clinton team will keep releasing more and more shit on him as we get closer.

They did so brilliantly with Ms Universe
I fully expect some more DNC type stuff to show up in the next few weeks.
But the Foundation and emails have pretty much been exhausted of any new material. Not that they won't be asked about.

I think Clinton's team has done well finding things to throw at Trump at just the right time. Amazing the deluge of new information that is coming out about Trump now that the Machado thing took hold.

Luckily, Trump is the perfect pawn. He just keeps it going and going. It's great.
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Old 09-30-2016, 04:34 PM   #631
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The DNC stuff has less and less impact as the spotlight has shifted to Trump and Clinton.

The Bernie or Bust people may still be butt hurt over the primaries, but at this point I think the non OccupyMovement types have shifted towards Clinton and will stick with her.

Gary Johnson had a chance to possibly steal more from Clinton, but he's proven to be a bigger idiot than imagined. I honestly don't know what happened to him, but it could be that since his numbers have grown in this cycle, he's gotten more play in the media, and therefore we now know he's not the brightest dude.

This is what happens when you become more and more popular, you get vetted, and you get exposed
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I'd ask for a link to the story, but don't think I could stomach what I would end up reading.


And the kicker is there is no sex tape. He made that up. At 3am. And tweeted it.
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And the kicker is there is no sex tape. He made that up. At 3am. And tweeted it.

So I haven't been following this story; what is his point? Is there something to gain from this, or did she insult him, or is this the coke talking?


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Uneducated black women and white women over 50 (I believe), to be specific.

BMP, just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it isn't there.
That's called identity politics, really. I don't think that's sexist in the slightest to point that out. That's my opinion of it and I can see where others differ.

But what will people in here think if Cory Booker announces for 2024 and, almost assuredly, has 80% of the black vote immediately. Are we just to refrain from bringing up a discussion on identity politics? Are we supposed to act like 20% of the Democratic primary electorate (all of them black) took a long hard look at everyone's nuanced policy proposals and happened to came to the decision to support Booker?

That was the point I was trying to make in all of that. You toss Biden into the mix and suddenly the black vote, in polling, was being carved up considerably. From my perspective, it really was all about the continuation of Obama's Presidency for a lot of black voters. That's my opinion and nothing more.
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And now the 9-marriage, serial cheater tag team of Trump, Guiliani and Gingrich want to bring up Bill's infidelity. You know the Clinton campaign has prepared for this one.
Earlier in this thread, in reference to Mrs. Clinton, I thought we had settled on not making any unfair or uninformed assumptions about marriages.

This trio of gentlemen you bring up may have simply chose poorly Six times
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If the Trump campaign had just done their homework (or Republicans for that matter), it would have been pretty fucking easy to just follow Bill Clinton all the god damn time until he ends up in bed with some other woman. It would take about a day when he wasn't with Hillary on the campaign trail unless you are actually naive enough to think otherwise.

Then that would open up all the questions I was getting to about their marriage in the first place. Hillary would probably just scream "infidelity" again even if everybody with a brain knows otherwise and there would be a lot of talk about creating a false public image, etc.

Again, open marriage? Nothing wrong with any of that between consenting adult. Lying to the public about the reality of your marriage? That's an issue.

Golden opportunity that is now completely gone as he'll surely be by her side from now through most of the campaign (and won't be dumb enough to do the nasty with someone else until after the election).
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Trump is a nearly 70-year-old man who regularly tweets at all hours of the day and night. Is he on something? I mean I just don't understand, I was up at those hours a few months ago when my baby was really little and I felt like DEATH the next day. Maybe he really does have SUPER STAMINA.

I also don't know how Hillary does it at her age. Maybe I'm just weak.
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Earlier in this thread, in reference to Mrs. Clinton, I thought we had settled on not making any unfair or uninformed assumptions about marriages.



This trio of gentlemen you bring up may have simply chose poorly Six times

Um, Trump and Newt's infidelity has been well documented, not sure about Rudy.




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Um, Trump and Newt's infidelity has been well documented, not sure about Rudy.
I don't know about infidelity but I remember very well when he announced that he's leaving one of his wives at a press conference before he actually bothered telling her, prompting her to then refuse to leave their house with their children.

Was quite the scandal back in the early 2000s.

Seems like a nice guy.
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It would take about a day when he wasn't with Hillary on the campaign trail unless you are actually naive enough to think otherwise.
Oh, we're going to do that thing again where you assume to know the truth of a marriage you actually know nothing about? Great.
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