iota
War Child
And also, 4 years ago I paid for 4 propaganda issues. I recieved one. The band OWES me 5 of these songs.
:::joking:::
somewhat.
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somewhat.
petethechopp said:what a strange, sad thread this is for a U2 forum. Who woulda guessed back in '87 that people would one day be talking about U2 becoming green and greedy. But that's the case, isn't it? If your going to get in bed with corp. America and Itunes aren't you expecting to get scr*wed? And if you do a digital box set that excludes most of the world and rips off everyone who buys it, doesn't that say something about what your looking for? I miss the days of Three Chords and the truth. I also think its a bit ironic that duringthe DESIRE perfromance at Point Depot (one of the shows, maybe the 12-31 (not sure) Bono makes a comment about greed making the world go round, then adds "Not my world" Not so sure about thi anymore?
tkramer said:Sad day. Three cords and the truth... you people are a bunch of snobby obnoxious trouble makers. It's a digital box set of a bunch of songs. If you want it, you buy it. If you don't need it, and most of us here don't, then you've saved yourself 150.00 dollars. Really, if you must be a self righteous jack ass, then you must point to Larry's Harley Ad in the Eighties, as that was the sad, sad, day U2 truly sold out...
Or the U2 condoms, I doubt those could be termed as a real music product. Then again, they probably made SOMEONE sing...
LOL...get a life...
iota said:
Why the backlash? Because U2 make it a point to constantly remind us how unselfish they are while gouging us senseless.
mofo82 said:
It's not senseless. It is an attempt to bring fairness to an industry full of corruption and $ problems. It's an attempt that costs money now, but someday may benefit the listener with lower prices, if people are paid for their work.
mellyinsf said:I'm a hardcore fan, I just bought the complete box set, I don't feel ripped off, I'm enjoying HTDAAB and 40 unreleased songs. I'm not an idiot and I certainly don't think U2 or itunes are in the same classification as walmart. I went to itunes right after I heard that U2 would be releasing thier album there. I love it and I'm glad that U2 led me thier, because I have found a lot of great reasons for downloading there.
iota said:
See, the only problem with that is that I love this music and this band and I am drooling over the unreleased songs they have released. I would pay for the songs if they were released apart from the rest. But why should I have to repurchase everything else for an ungodly amount just for those songs? Especially from a band that always gushes about the fans, saying gooshy things from the stage about "thank you for giving us a wonderful life" and all that. Thanks Bono. You can return the favor by releasing these songs for a reasonable price for the real fans who actually have to work for a living and can't afford to buy all of your albums twice.
mofo82 said:It's basic reasoning when you think of it.
You make something, it costs $
People don't but something, you lose $
PEople own your work but didn't pay for it, you lose $
you need to make up for your losses, $ goes up
bring fair standards and compensation to artist/ prducers- $ balances out
if the balance catches up, in time $ comes down for buyer and $ does not need to be made up by gauging.
iota said:
But come on, FORCING people to repurchase the majority of music they already have JUST for those songs? Real fans want to hear those songs. Why should fans that have stood with this band for 20-odd years be treated like this?
who cares if it's itunes or your local cd store, someone is going to make money. Just go to itunes, check it out, it's actually a really good place to buy music. U2 said they did it through itunes because they felt it represented thier listening population.petethechopp said:I'm not saying U2 shouldn't release a box set, not saying they shouldn't choose to include or exclude any songs they want, not saying they shouldn't be allowed to charge what they want and let the market set the demand/price. What I'm saying, is that by doing it exclusively through itunes and not making it available anywhere else, in any other format, excluding most of the world from access, is not a good idea. And the only reason to have done it this way is for a whole lot of up front money so that Apple would have exclusive rights to these songs (also the reason why several of them can only be purchased within the whole set). I mean, aren't we allowed to expect more from U2. Don't they ask us to expect more? Isn't that why they've resisted corp. sponsership on tours, isn't that why they used to not sell the front five rows of a concert and pass those tickets out to the early birds in the nosebleed seats. U2 makes great music, but they also send a positive message through that music. I don;t like them any less for their recent hypocrisy, but I do think its sad
tkramer said:
I understand that you want the songs seperate, but how does the songs not all being instantaneously available seperately make U2 evil? How do they know that you own everything on that box set except for five songs? Or eight? Or whatever? What's wrong with a box set? Artists have done box sets for decades without making every single little song available seperately. For all we know, the band couldn't convince the label to release them seperately. They have a lot of control over their music, but even Bono answers to Paul M. and the Label on some issues...
iota said:
The thing is though...U2 doesn't have a problem selling CDs.
So why market something that, in effect, is about duping loyal fans into buying the same product twice?
iota said:
Good for you that you could afford the $150 for the 40 songs. But be honest. If U2 had offered them separately, would you still have bought all the other songs you already had?
iota said:
Yes, other bands have done this.
But U2 is the preachiest band on the planet.
Therein lies the difference.
mellyinsf said:
Yeah I work my ass off everyday of the week at a fast food restaurant. I didn't think twice whether to add $99 (I aslo bought the ipod) to my card. I get all 400 songs or 5 drinks at a bar in LA. No I would not have bought all those songs again, however that is not how box sets are sold. What about U2 best of CD's isn't this like the same.
iota said:
Damn right you work your ass off. I work my ass off. That's why I resent this.
But a hard copy box set and internet files are two different things entirely. Honestly, how much would it cost them to simply make the rare songs available separately to help out a hard working fan like you and allow you to buy the music AND three drinks in an LA bar?
petethechopp said:I don't think I'll buy it, but not b/c of the reasons I mentioned. I just think, for me, not for anyone else, that its a bit of a waste. $150 for a few things I don't have and a bunch of stuff i do (though I might drop a hint to my g-friend that it would be a fine Xmans present.
Having said that, I'll say again that I'm disappointed that a whole lot of people won't be able to hear these songs b/c the band jumped at the Apple promo spots and money rather than thinking of their fans.