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Old 06-08-2003, 10:07 AM   #21
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I'm fascinated by the food vegetarians eat. I've never been one, but have never been a fan of red meat. I'd rarely eat it and after getting food poisoning after eating a steak at a restaurant a few weeks ago, I doubt I can ever eat it again. I'm not sure if ti was the steak that caused it but psychologically I can never look at red meat and think 'yum'.
I have a stock standard combination diet of the Diabetic and Coeliac diet. That in itself is fairly limiting. What I mainly eat consists of fruit and vegetables, and whatever is cooked is either steamed or grilled to cut out fat. Fish is very good for you in many ways and understandably you cant necessarily chow down no a nice smoked cod or anything, but you say your vitamin levels are doing well so you prolly dont have to worry.
I discovered the joys of stir frys a few years ago and since buying a good wok have not looked back. I cant ever recall a time ever stuffing up what I put in it. There's a huge range of veges available, have you looked into more exotic or less tried ones yet? I love experimenting with different types of veges. Although I am able to throw in some chicken breast or something, I know with most sauces a lack of meat would hardly be noticed. With a bed of either rice, noodles, pasta, potatoes or even some greens like snow peas or those odd looking yellow beans, you can really build on creating the most amazing dishes. Also, if you're anything like me, whatever you do cook will never be the same again next time you cook it. I dont use recipes and have found it doesn't matter. Check out your Asian section of the supermarket, or go to a genuine Asian store and try different sauce bases. Invest in a rice steamer and steam up about 4-5 cups at once to use throughout the week to save on cooking time and experiment with that maybe. I know veges can be boring, but sauces can make a huge difference!
Tonight's dinner was:
Black bean sauce
Yellow beans
Snow peas
Red capsicum
+ chicken

Take out the chicken and add/remove whatever veges take your fancy, and that pretty much makes up my staple diet Add things like ramen noodles, rice or a larger variety of greens and you really cant go wrong!

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Old 06-08-2003, 11:19 AM   #22
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I almost ate a vegetarian yesterday

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Old 06-08-2003, 05:44 PM   #23
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Everyone makes good points about getting all of the vitamins, amino acids, and other good things that our bodies need. Last year I was having nasty recurrent sinus infections, so my doctor ran some blood work to make sure that my vegetarian diet wasn't causing me my problems. It turns out I was not deficient in anything--I just have crappy sinuses! Anyway, I'm glad that people seem to be mindful of getting all the necessary nutrients.

And whoever said Indian food is the way to go, I couldn't agree more! I've got a few Indian cookbooks, and the recipes in them are exciting and wonderful. Plus, they freak my family out, which is a good thing.

It's cool that there are quite a few vegetarians here. Last night at Chili's I had their veggie quesadillas (spinach, mushrooms, and artichoke hearts). I eat much more interesting things now that I don't have meat in my diet.
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Old 06-09-2003, 02:57 AM   #24
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May I ask, how does one bake a vegan cake? Dyou just take out the egg, or replace it with something else??

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Originally posted by foray
May I ask, how does one bake a vegan cake? Dyou just take out the egg, or replace it with something else??

There's different products, but my family uses a powder called Egg Replacer. In some recipes I think you can also use peanut butter as a substitute.
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Old 06-09-2003, 11:35 AM   #26
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I make a mean sourdough chocolate vegan cake!

I'm a vegetarian (for 3 years this week), and hardly ever eat dairy or eggs. I've never felt better in my life. I eat a lot of pasta, soy, rice, potatoes, and sandwiches, but I'm a runner so I really *need* the carbs. I have a couple of great cookbooks that I dive into when I have the time, money, and inclination, but mostly just eat the same old same old. (ah, the life of a grad student...!) so I understand the boredom that comes with eating peanut butter all the time.
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no, but my boyfriend is, does that count?
we had burritos last night... uh... he eats a lot of PBJs and spaghetti...
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Old 06-10-2003, 01:40 PM   #28
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Originally posted by DiGi

I just started taking fish oil capsules as well - After I finish the bottle I have, I think I will change to the liquid version. There are a higher concentration of both EPA and DHA in the liquid format. EPA is the fatty acid that among other things has anti-inflammatory properties. Anyway if you want to try and use fish oil to treat a joint issue you may look into a higher concentration via the liquid format. Look into the concentrations of these two acids on the labels.

Also have you thought about trying Glucosamine Chondroitin to help with the joint issues? I have not read up much on this yet - but it is supposed to be beneficial (I think you have to take it for about a month or so to recognize any benefits).

A vegetarian diet can / should work as long as you obtain from food the eight essential amino acids that the body cannot produce on its own. Most plant proteins are incomplete (meaning they do not have all eight of these amino acids), hence why many vegetarians eat soy or beans and multiple types of plants, so they can obtain these proteins.

Anyway I still eat meat (mainly chicken and turkey) but a lot less than I use to. I have been moving to a more vegetarian diet over the last couple of months. Really just a healthy diet is the way I look at it. I have more or less given up all junk food and packaged food that does nothing for you.
Thanks, DiGi. My deficiencies are rather complicated but I am working with an incredible nutritionist who also happens to be one of my best friends. I've had bloodwork done several times over the past 15 years that I was on a vegetarian diet and it wasn't until I entered my 40's that anything of concern showed up. It was particularly surprising because I've always been such a health geek and way more conscientious about nutrients than just about anyone I know! And yet, here I am with all these problems--all of it absolutely reversable but requiring a lot of time, energy and money. The fish oil capsules supplement the flaxseed oil I've been taking for years, which wasn't working because I lack the enzyme to process flaxseed oil. Even though the liquid is better, I just can't bear it! So I'll see how the capsules work out for now.

The joint problems I'm having are directly related (according to the nutritionist and osteopath) to protein deficiencies, despite the massive amounts of tofu, beans/rice and protein drinks that I have consumed over the years, which apparently my body did not process as protein. Or something like that.

The thing is, it doesn't really matter so much how many vitamins and minerals you take--it's all about whether or not your body is absorbing them, and everything works together. You need this to process that and so on. God, it's so complicated and I really don't have a head for this stuff.

I really recommend that vegetarians get a vegetable juicer and use it everyday and also take ENZYMES.

Amino acid supplements have recently changed my life, too. A lifetime of insomnia has been cured with amino acids.
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All good information to know, joyful. Thanks for sharing!
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Old 06-10-2003, 03:58 PM   #31
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Also, I want to add that when I said that my bloodwork over the years was normal, I should say that it was normal according to all of my traditional allopathic physicians. Even though certain things were definitely on the low end of normal, they'd smile and say, "your bloodwork looks good!" My nutritionist is trained to look at bloodwork with a much different eye. He sees something within 'normal range' but on the very low end and sees a crisis waiting to happen. A regular doctor sees 'normal.'
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Old 06-11-2003, 09:51 AM   #32
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I hardly ever eat any vegetables at all, unless they come on a salad. Even then, I'm sure to pick off the tomatos (they make me break out) and I'm not too fond of the onions either.

I'd say vegetation makes up less than 5% of my diet. Chocolate, in contrast, makes up about 1/4 of it

The remaining 70% is probably 2/3 meat, 1/3 starch.

I guess I'd never make a good vegetarian
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Old 06-11-2003, 10:55 AM   #33
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I don't understand why people associate "Vegetarian" with "just eating vegetables"

Mind you, I will eat meat. I love a good burger, or turkey on a sandwhich, and I like chicken. For the most part, I live and eat vegetarian.
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I agree Zoney. I could go days without eating vegetables. It's not the greatest way to go because that means I've mainly had carbs and nothing else, but still, I don't always have just fruit and vegetables and that's it. That would be boring.
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Old 06-11-2003, 04:06 PM   #35
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I myself am now a vegan. It's just easier since i'm lactose intolerant and hate the taste of eggs. For a very long time, though, I was a vegetarian and the most common question I was asked is
"since you're a vegetarian do you eat animal crackers?"

anyway, if you ever find a Wild Oats health food grocery store, they have the best Vegan Chocolate Chip cookies ever created
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Old 06-11-2003, 04:46 PM   #36
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I'm vegetarian for approx. 10-15 years now. I didn't like the taste of animal crackers before that so i never thought about eating them when i became vegetarian

But anyway, it's pretty easy - read what's inside and you know if it's vegetarian or not. The dissadvantage of reading is that even if it is vegetarian you sometimes don't want to eat that junk-stuff you hold in your hands


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