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Old 06-01-2021, 06:20 PM   #241
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The irony is that Pitchfork is not remotely an indie stalwart these days, in that they go really hard for uber popular artists that were overlooked in the indie scene for a long time.

Artists included in their top 20 of the 2010s: Frank Ocean (twice), Kanye (twice), Beyoncé, Kendrick (twice), Solange, Robyn, Rihanna, Drake, Lorde, Lana. The only artists I'd call indie to make into the top 20 were Sufjan Stevens and Joanna Newson. Maybe Grimes and Vampire Weekend if you want to be generous and focus on their origins. Only Newson is remotely obscure from this group.


They’re definitely not anymore. But at their core, they’re still the same hype culture adjacent outlet. Not hype culture as in “what’s the next big artist”, but rather “that limited edition Supreme foldable chair was so last week, have you seen this limited edition Supreme Oreo cookie?”
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The year end lists are for a broader demographic than their day to day readership, which ultimately leads to them sanding down a lot of the interesting edges. They pin it on "staff consensus," but that's what dictates the scores to begin with. Plenty of esoteric 8.3+ albums have been ignored for popular <8.0s over the years.

Pitchfork Fest is part of the problem, but it's also one of the only things they offer that stands out from the pack at this point. Those lineups aren't being replicated elsewhere.
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I read that Airborne Toxic Event review and they left that style a long time ago. The site was never going to grow if they remained a niche review site that only reviewed indie darlings and shat on artists in that way.

LN7, I feel you'd be a lot happier if you're able to let go of some of your (totally understandable) anger and pain in regards to being bullied for your love for music. It doesn't really seem to bring you much benefit.

I've copped shit for half my life for my U2 fandom. And a long time ago I decided to stop caring what other people thought about them, or thought about my fandom, and it's meant I've been able to be an obsessive in peace. I went on a fucking national quiz show (and won!) showing off my nerdy love for U2. No one likes them, all my friends actively dislike them and hang shit on them, and I just don't care. If I took it personally every time someone hung shit on them, whether it's a friend or Pitchfork or someone on Twitter, I'd be miserable.

I’d made the point earlier about U2. Believe me, I get you. I don’t take it personally. I’m the same way you are, minus the national quiz shows. I don’t really care what someone thinks about my tastes.

Pitchfork occupies 0% of my daily mind space. This topic regularly occupies 0% of my daily mind space. There’s nothing to let go of (unless you’re suggesting I should forgive a website or something, which I won’t because it’s not a person). Maybe I can let go of feeling the need to call an elitist an elitist when an elitist acts like an elitist. Elitists make me angry. Supremacists make me angry. I probably won’t ever stop feeling that way. I’m very happy to expend my energy to oppose these people. I might not be the most concisely articulate person, so if my walls of text were not very clear, my intent is this: I feel an obligation to engage anyone who stands in the way of openly loving what they love. That does not preclude objective criticism, but absolutely precludes elitism and all forms of direct or implied superiority.
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doesn't pitchfork just occupy the same kind of "self-appointed genre taste arbiter" space that rolling stone and MTV did (on a much larger level) in the 70s and 80s?
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Did we ever find out which artist Pitchfork attacked that somehow scarred LN7 for life?
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Did we ever find out which artist Pitchfork attacked that somehow scarred LN7 for life?

I assume it's Airborne Toxic Event. A band I find to be needlessly maligned in indie circles, and likely unhelped by their disastrous debut album review from Pitchfork.
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Speaking of indie rock, the band Bachelor released a really good debut last week. Jay Som is one of the members.
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Did we ever find out which artist Pitchfork attacked that somehow scarred LN7 for life?

Thanks for your contributions, you are that kind of person.
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Speaking of indie rock, the band Bachelor released a really good debut last week. Jay Som is one of the members.
Oooh, color me intrigued.
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When I saw it was only 33 minutes, I just went ahead and turned it on. It's quite pleasant. I have about two tracks left.

There's a lot of music out right now that sounds like this, IMO, so it doesn't really stand out, but it has the benefit of featuring an artist I like quite a bit, so I'll probably spin this at least a few more times.
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I should listen to it. I haven't liked Melina's collaborative work as much as her excellent solo albums but maybe this one will change my mind.
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That Cassandra Jenkins album we talked about earlier this year has won me over. The spoke word parts turned me off in the beginning, but I really enjoy them now. Hard Drive is one of my favorite songs of the year.
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That Cassandra Jenkins album we talked about earlier this year has won me over. The spoke word parts turned me off in the beginning, but I really enjoy them now. Hard Drive is one of my favorite songs of the year.
Oh thank God. I won't lie, you hating on that song saddened me. Glad to have you on board.
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I finally got the vinyl last week and gave it a full listen. Very impressive album indeed. I haven't heard anything quite like it before.
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Oh thank God. I won't lie, you hating on that song saddened me. Glad to have you on board.
I'm sorry! I don't know what didn't click initially. I'm generally not into spoken word, but I think it really works well in that song with the overall theme of the album, and then the music is just so good.

This album and Ignorance have been on regular rotation lately (Ignorance pretty much since it came out, and it's still my favorite album to come out this year). This year has been really good so far as far as I'm concerned.

Has anyone else (other than LM) checked out the new black midi? I'm pretty confident that iron yuppie would enjoy it.
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I really like the new Chvrches/Robert Smith track.
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I'm sorry! I don't know what didn't click initially. I'm generally not into spoken word, but I think it really works well in that song with the overall theme of the album, and then the music is just so good.
Haha, all good! Opinions and all that, but I do really love that song. Also, you would've hated my DI list if I'd ever finished it.

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I heard it. I'm confused by it. It's very good, but it's not like many other records so it's hard to even know what to compare it to. I don't actually know if I like it, but I respect it.
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I really like the new Chvrches/Robert Smith track.

I'm sorry....what?


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I really like the new Chvrches/Robert Smith track.


And new touring dates and all
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