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Old 03-15-2014, 06:31 AM   #81
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Yeah, he described two massive "corridors" that the plane could be in. One of which is over land and one of which is over water.
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Old 03-15-2014, 07:36 AM   #82
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I suppose the key point here is that you can't just land a 777 anywhere, so the probability of it actually secretly landing at an airport ahead of future terrorist use is very remote.
And pretty unlikely to be what was attempted. If you wanted to steal a plane for 'terrorist' uses (or whatever) later on, choosing an airliner owned by one of the worlds larger airlines in a 'busy' part of the world, presumably a long way from your intended destination, packed with 200+ unpredictable passengers, who (sorry to say) would require dealing with at some point, seems like the most difficult way to go about it. Some 5th rate airline in Africa (lax security, lax radar, likely closer to 'wherever' without flying over high risk territories), or a cargo plane (no passengers) would be far, far better and 'easier'.

More likely it was a political highjacking that didn't work out? Never made it to a destination where the hostage/negotiation games were to begin. Or the suicide option. Fly it way out to the middle of the Indian Ocean in the hope of it never being found and thus avoiding the shame of it all - forever suggested, but formally a mystery.

Whatever it was, seems there's no doubt it was experienced piloting.
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Old 03-15-2014, 04:49 PM   #83
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this line struck me as i came across it:

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Update, March 15, 9:10 a.m.: When the flight first disappeared from air traffic controllers’ radar a week ago, the default assumption was that the plane had crashed. Now it seems unlikely that a plot as ingeniously planned and carefully executed as this one would not also have included plans for safe arrival at some ultimate destination. As I reported earlier, the 777 is capable of landing on small airstrips and on relatively unimproved surfaces, such as packed dirt and dry lake beds. In such a scenario, the odds are good that, unless they were murdered, the passengers remain alive. The motives and intentions of whoever took MH370 remain as murky as ever, but possibilities include a hostage scenario, the repurposing of the aircraft as an enormous flying bomb, or some combination of these and other outcomes.

Flight 370 disappearance: Missing airliner apparently flew to Central Asia.
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Old 03-15-2014, 05:49 PM   #84
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Yeah a lot of people are discussing that. What if it was plotted to be stolen. It could then be used by a terrorist organization for another 9/11 or to put a bomb on board and fly it somewhere. Hence why they wouldn't claim any responsibility.

But if it were landed in a hangar, wouldn't people on board then have been able to use cell phones (I doubt they would've all been killed)? Or been picked up on a satellite?

It's kind of odd...if it were crashed on purpose, what is the point? Pilot or someone wanting to commit suicide? That is some really well thought out suicide, which seems unlikely though I guess possible. If it was crashed as a terrorist act then it is very odd, because Terrorists like things public. This is the total opposite of public, nobody knows what is happening.
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Old 03-15-2014, 07:31 PM   #85
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The passengers could have rushed the hi-jackers, or pilot resulting in a crashed plane, like Flight 93 on 911.
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Old 03-15-2014, 10:48 PM   #86
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Maybe^. But I just heard a pilot on cable news say the reason for the plane inexplicably going up to 45K feet could have been so that it would kill all the passengers. He said you'd have only about 3 seconds of oxygen at 45K feet. This assumes, quite obviously, that the pilot would have put on oxygen beforehand.
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Maybe^. But I just heard a pilot on cable news say the reason for the plane inexplicably going up to 45K feet could have been so that it would kill all the passengers. He said you'd have only about 3 seconds of oxygen at 45K feet. This assumes, quite obviously, that the pilot would have put on oxygen beforehand.

You have three seconds of consciousness at 45,000 feet if the cabin is unpressurized. I don't believe that a 777's cabin would lose pressurization by going 4,000 feet above its rated cruising altitude range, but I could be wrong.
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But if it were landed in a hangar, wouldn't people on board then have been able to use cell phones (I doubt they would've all been killed)? Or been picked up on a satellite?
If it were indeed terrorists behind this, they would certainly block the signals. So no phone contact would be made.
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Old 03-16-2014, 08:18 AM   #89
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If the plane managed to land somewhere, the passengers certainly would have been killed. The only reason for keeping them alive would have been as a negotiation or blackmail tool, and we would know about that by now. What likely happened was that the cabin pressurisation was switched off (easy to do) and the passengers would have passed out or died as the plane climbed. This has happened before by accident. The good news (?!?) is that this would have been painless - like going to sleep - and this was a red eye flight as well, so plenty possibly were already asleep, or seriously drowsy anyway.
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I'm wondering if anyone involved knew if there was any valuable cargo on board. It might be more of a theft than a politically or terror-related hijacking.

Oh, sure, that sounds far-fetched, but at this point who can really say?
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All the passengers were harvested for their organs which have now been sold onto the black market (how's that for a macabre theory?).
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All the passengers were harvested for their organs which have now been sold onto the black market (how's that for a macabre theory?).
Now that would be all kinds of crazy.

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I still don't see why they'd fly for 6-7 hours just to crash.

Craziness.
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I think a desperate pilot, just ran out of fuel

and the plane is at the bottom of the ocean, and we may never find it

'Fanatical' missing Malaysia Airlines plane pilot pictured wearing political T-shirt | Mail Online


applying the old razor, that the most reasonable explanation is probably correct, unless we learn something different, I say that article states the most reasonable theory so far.




And I do realize that article is in a tabloid, respectable news organizations (most times) use some caution before printing speculation.

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did you read the article in the link I posted?

It says what I have been thinking for some time, that the pilot is responsible and could have acted alone.

and because, in this forum many times other posters attack the source instead of the argument or material posted, I went to the front page of the Mail Online and posted one of the many sensational stories. My hope was with the 'shiny object" of a butt, some would at least click through the link and read the article.

But I guess these days, many just fixate on the shiny object.
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Would you just shut up?
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did you read the article in the link I posted?

It says what I have been thinking for some time, that the pilot is responsible and could have acted alone.

and because, in this forum many times other posters attack the source instead of the argument or material posted, I went to the front page of the Mail Online and posted one of the many sensational stories. My hope was with the 'shiny object" of a butt, some would at least click through the link and read the article.

But I guess these days, many just fixate on the shiny object.
Please, your explanation doesn't even make any sense. The link was posted near the beginning of your post, and yes, I read it, as I suspect most people here did. I thought it was a good article of its own merits. Which makes it even more baffling why you'd then go on to post those pictures. In no way did your posting of those pics entice me to read the article. If anything it just shows that you have a rather unflattering view of fellow FYMers, if you think that including completely irrelevant pictures of someone's bruised ass would make us more likely to read an on-topic link.

I understand that you like to challenge the perceptions you think we all have. You go too far sometimes.

(And Ashley, that's going a bit too far, too)
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Hard to imagine the level of incompetency displayed by the Malaysian government. Yet another retraction/clarification that could mean the plane actually suffered some mechanical failure:

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/03/18...html?referrer=
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That guy seems to be the source of a lot of misinformation...
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