Cascade d'Arse, Pyrenees, France

[Reggo]

"frightened by skyscrapers"...?

 

[Vlad n U 2]

Many people in Adelaide are averse to skyscrapers/tall things, I swear.

 

[Reggo]

Many people in Adelaide are averse to skyscrapers/tall things, I swear.

I see. Is it that they want to keep a small-town type aesthetic to Adelaide or something?

 

[Vlad n U 2]

Supposedly.

 

[Reggo]

Hrm. You'd think, if the city was doing well, they'd want to build something to reflect that. "look at us, we're a bustling city! We have skyscrapers!"

 

[Axver]

They aren't even coming to Adelaide. Gives me more reason to hate them.

Perth and Adelaide = SO REJECTED.

Speaking of rejected. Our landlord sold our apartment ... and the bastards who bought it want to move in, so we've got to find a new place now. Fuck's sake. So mad.

 

[The Sad Punk]

Radinhead fuck off u east coast shaggers Enjoy Radiohead guys! I was driving as the news was announced so I may have nearly crashed. I'll think about going to a Melbourne show but I'm guessing it'll be impossible.

Adelaide has dumb rules about flying over the CBD so any building proposed that's taller than 30 storeys is like NO WAY THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE to the city council. Really, really annoying. But the current lord mayor is pretty cool about good buildings and good things actually happening here, so hopefully, hopefully something will happen. Because the skyline of this city does not make it look like there are over a million people here. Maybe three goats.

Vlad, please make cool buildings for this place, whether they are tall or not.

Knew you would have an awesome time. He was swigging the tequila at our show too ... and dancing like an absolute madman. How big was the venue? When we saw Neon Indian in January 2011, it was at a tiny venue and he was pretty much just jerking around like Ian Curtis in this small space between his two keyboards. Last Friday, though, he had plenty of room to spread out on stage. I'd forgotten how thunderous Ephemeral Artery is live, and goddamn Hex Girlfriend was amazing.

Yeah, I'm starting to expect chillwave artists to be a summer fixture after this year and last.

The stage in Rocket Bar is absolutely tiny, so he was pretty much doing the Ian Curtis stuff. There's no door either, so he had to walk through the crowd to get there - I had to resist everything in my body not to do something in this situation. I forgot Hex Girlfriend and Fallout, they were amazing too. God, I'm still on a high.

I hope so too. As completely dead and maligned as it may be in the US, there's always going to be room for a deadbeat summer here.

 

[cobl04]

That sucks hard, Ax.

 

[The Sad Punk]

Yeah, that's really lame. Jesus, how long do you have to find somewhere?

 

[Vlad n U 2]

Speaking of rejected. Our landlord sold our apartment ... and the bastards who bought it want to move in, so we've got to find a new place now. Fuck's sake. So mad.

Oh damn.

Adelaide has dumb rules about flying over the CBD so any building proposed that's taller than 10 storeys is like NO WAY THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE to the city council. Really, really annoying. But the current lord mayor is pretty cool about good buildings and good things actually happening here, so hopefully, hopefully something will happen. Because the skyline of this city does not make it look like there are over a million people here. Maybe three goats.

Fixed. Only building we have over 30 floors is the Westpac building, which is approximately 130m tall. Next tallest is Telstra at ~100m or so. Would be nice to see some of the flatter areas of the CBD to get a few midrises at least since outside of the King William St/North Terrace area there's really not much.

Vlad, please make cool buildings for this place, whether they are tall or not.

I'm already designing a stadium for my design subject. Will shove a few copies of the design into the council offices ... maybe.

 

[Axver]

Yeah, that's really lame. Jesus, how long do you have to find somewhere?

We've got to be out by the end of April. Ugghhh.

We were ready to fucking sign a new year-long lease in April and everything. We'd contemplated moving on sometime next year once we knew more about where our careers are likely to take us, whether we'll be staying in Melbourne, what suburb would be best, etc. This is just the most monumental inconvenience.

 

[The Sad Punk]

Fixed. Only building we have over 30 floors is the Westpac building, which is approximately 130m tall. Next tallest is Telstra at ~100m or so. Would be nice to see some of the flatter areas of the CBD to get a few midrises at least since outside of the King William St/North Terrace area there's really not much.



I'm already designing a stadium for my design subject. Will shove a few copies of the design into the council offices ... maybe.

True that. Isn't there another 30-ish storey building on KWS close to Westpac currently under construction? I used to try to keep up to date with building developments in the city, but I've been disillusioned for too long. Even if we don't get high-rises, I hope we at least get some more interesting buildings. I can't believe there was a minor uproar about that wavy-looking thing proposed for Pulteney St a couple months back, there's stuff like that in a whole bunch of cities around the world, but the Tiser seemed to think it was the goddamn devil.

That sounds cool. I'd love to see it sometime. I'm working on a miniature building out of cardboard, alfoil and other stuff for sculpture right now, actually.

 

[The Sad Punk]

We've got to be out by the end of April. Ugghhh.

We were ready to fucking sign a new year-long lease in April and everything. We'd contemplated moving on sometime next year once we knew more about where our careers are likely to take us, whether we'll be staying in Melbourne, what suburb would be best, etc. This is just the most monumental inconvenience.

That's absolute bullshit, sorry to hear it. Hope you can find a decent place soon and with as little strife as possible.

 

[Axver]

We wanted to find a nice, ideal place in our own time, you know?

Now ... well let's hope a nice, ideal place shows up a bit quicker than we planned!

Going to go out tonight for dinner and drinks, at any rate. Sitting here moping about what cannot be changed isn't doing any good at all.

 

[cobl04]

I am currently realising that I don't think I'm going to go to Future. Which means I'm going to miss some great bands/DJs, chief among them James Murphy and Pat Mahoney's DJ set. Technically I've got the money, but with this Radiohead announcement which is going to cost me at the least $260... I can't really justify it. I knew I should have got my shit together earlier.

 

[Vlad n U 2]

True that. Isn't there another 30-ish storey building on KWS close to Westpac currently under construction? I used to try to keep up to date with building developments in the city, but I've been disillusioned for too long. Even if we don't get high-rises, I hope we at least get some more interesting buildings. I can't believe there was a minor uproar about that wavy-looking thing proposed for Pulteney St a couple months back, there's stuff like that in a whole bunch of cities around the world, but the Tiser seemed to think it was the goddamn devil.

I don't know about a 30 storey building under construction and the closest to that height is a proposed 27fl ~100m hotel on Currie Street and approved building of a similar size on Flinders Street. The others are usually more or less 10-15 floors, with so many having their designs changed to fit a lower height which is just frustrating.

This place has information on all in Adelaide but is updated only occasionally.

South Australia - SkyscraperCity

That sounds cool. I'd love to see it sometime. I'm working on a miniature building out of cardboard, alfoil and other stuff for sculpture right now, actually.

I'll most probably put it up on Tumblr once it's been completed.

 

[LemonMelon]

I'm convinced that Bono had Dublin's growth stunted so it wouldn't make him look bad. That is a short-ass town.

 

[Vlad n U 2]

Guess it's another one of those cities where the city administration are too frightened to build tall buildings (like Budapest) because they're afraid they'll fall over and knock down half the historical buildings?

 

[LemonMelon]

The city is full of Georgian architecture, and they want to preserve that image by keeping skyscrapers out of it. I don't mind, I think it makes the city unique, but it was definitely something that puzzled me when I was out there.

 

[Vlad n U 2]

Could always construct a business district with multiple 20-30fl scrapers but in these times, especially in Ireland, not the wisest idea.

 

[liamcool]

I am currently realising that I don't think I'm going to go to Future. Which means I'm going to miss some great bands/DJs, chief among them James Murphy and Pat Mahoney's DJ set. Technically I've got the money, but with this Radiohead announcement which is going to cost me at the least $260... I can't really justify it. I knew I should have got my shit together earlier.

Street corner, Roxanne.

 

[Alisaura]

Hrm. You'd think, if the city was doing well, they'd want to build something to reflect that. "look at us, we're a bustling city! We have skyscrapers!"

Apparently Paris has a similar mindset to Adelaide... they built one skyscraper in the centre of the city as an experiment, hated it, and confined all further sky-scraping to a less central part of the city. I bet the Eiffel Tower wouldn't look nearly so impressive with a bunch of 50-storey buildings around it.

We've got to be out by the end of April. Ugghhh.

We were ready to fucking sign a new year-long lease in April and everything. We'd contemplated moving on sometime next year once we knew more about where our careers are likely to take us, whether we'll be staying in Melbourne, what suburb would be best, etc. This is just the most monumental inconvenience.

Major, major suckage... I guess two months is better than the four weeks some people get. Fingers crossed you can find something quickly! Let me know if there's anything I can do to help.

 

[Vlad n U 2]

I must say, I love Melbourne's skyline. Just so modern and I do rate it above Sydney's.

Apparently Paris has a similar mindset to Adelaide... they built one skyscraper in the centre of the city as an experiment, hated it, and confined all further sky-scraping to a less central part of the city. I bet the Eiffel Tower wouldn't look nearly so impressive with a bunch of 50-storey buildings around it.

I've seen pictures of that lol. La Defense (that's what they call the skyscraper district) is quite massive and it's amusing to see the stark contrast between that area and its comparatively flat surrounds.

 

[cobl04]

You been here, vlad? I don't give much a fuck about our skyline at all, but it's always cool looking towards the city when you're about 30 or 40 ks out, in an ruralish area, so you can see all the same level houses etc for miles, and then this small patch of buildings that stand out like a sore thumb.

Street corner, Roxanne.

Not enough time between then and now.

 

[Vlad n U 2]

You been here, vlad? I don't give much a fuck about our skyline at all, but it's always cool looking towards the city when you're about 30 or 40 ks out, in an ruralish area, so you can see all the same level houses etc for miles, and then this small patch of buildings that stand out like a sore thumb.

Unfortunately not, I've seen many photos (I'm an architecture buff, so that's a given) and I do get a bit of a glimpse from the cameras on the football coverage when they do that outside-and-above-the-stadium shot.

 

[cobl04]

I hope you watch HIMYM and are in love with Ted Mosby.

 

[Alisaura]

I must say, I love Melbourne's skyline. Just so modern and I do rate it above Sydney's.

I've seen pictures of that lol. La Defense (that's what they call the skyscraper district) is quite massive and it's amusing to see the stark contrast between that area and its comparatively flat surrounds.

I'm so used to Melbourne's skyline I hardly think about it... I actually don't mind the Eureka tower, except that the sun used to reflect off the gold bit in the afternoon and shine on my computer screen when I was working in the city. *L* But yeah, I suppose I like Melbourne's skyline. I haven't seen Sydney enough to compare. And I suppose I don't notice skylines much anyway.

Yeah, Mum's photos of Paris from halfway up the Eiffel tower are kinda funny like that. I wonder if a lot of business moved away from the older/central/touristy bits of Paris because all the high-rise buildings were out in the boondocks? It'd almost be like having two different cities... but then I suppose a lot of large European cities have the "old city" area, somewhere a bit separate from where all the modern buildings have sprung up.

I quite liked Dublin, what little I saw of it under all the U2 fans. I'd really like to go back there and see what it looks like normally.

 

[Axver]

The city is full of Georgian architecture, and they want to preserve that image by keeping skyscrapers out of it. I don't mind, I think it makes the city unique, but it was definitely something that puzzled me when I was out there.

Yeah, I like that. I like Adelaide's skyline too. Not every city needs skyscrapers, and I may be the architectural equivalent of those rockist twats I hate in music ("hurrrr everything today suxx0rz"), but I'd rather preserve a more interesting and historic skyline than crowd it out with skyscrapers that every other bloody city already has. Sure, there are some cities with very distinctive tall skylines, but for every one of those, there are ten cities with near-identical skylines. Before the earthquake, Christchurch would have looked even better than it did if there hadn't been other buildings crowding out architectural masterpieces like the Cathedral and the Press Building.

The thing that makes the Hoddle Grid so great in Melbourne is the proliferation of laneways and interesting things you find, not the dark wind tunnels on the main roads created by the skyscrapers. Now, don't take me the wrong way, I fully agree with anybody who suggests we need more dense development, but I mainly think of that in the sense of low- and mid-rises, and mainly in terms of stopping suburban sprawl by putting more residential development in inner suburbs rather than outer ones. Look at how hard Docklands has failed. Too much large-scale development, too little community.

And fundamentally, while I'm sure there were people in the Victorian era blasting contemporary developments for having no style or whatever, practically every pre-WWI architectural style has left us with gorgeous buildings that any city is proud to have and mad to destroy (I weep every time a beautiful 1880s terrace house in Melbourne is knocked down for some new block of flats). Since then? Look at the fucking shit they are building in Melbourne right now. I promise you, there is not a single thing being built in this city right now - on any scale - that is even vaguely as attractive as Flinders Street Station, the 1888 Building at Melbourne Uni, or the Royal Exhibition Building. The interior design, flow, and lighting may be better. It may be very environmentally friendly. But to be an architect nowadays, do you actually have to be more blind than me? Looking around Melbourne, you'd fucking think so.

Major, major suckage... I guess two months is better than the four weeks some people get. Fingers crossed you can find something quickly! Let me know if there's anything I can do to help.

Luckily, when the property you're leasing is sold to an intending occupier, by law you have to be given 60 days' notice, and the last day of that notice can be no earlier than the last day of any fixed term lease. Unfortunately for us, our fixed term runs out on 9 April, or under 60 days! Oh well. We're going to do some property hunting and see how we go.

I don't suppose anybody here knows an answer to one question I have. We don't really want to leave here this month. When you get accepted to a new property, they always ask when you intend to move in, and in my past three rentals, I've always been keen to move in and gave a very soon date. However, let's say I apply for somewhere in the next few days and get offered it on the weekend. Would there be a problem if I say that I don't plan to move in until, e.g., 5 April? Is a month too far down the track? If anybody has any experience here, I'm most curious to know.

 

[bono_man2002]

Speaking of rejected. Our landlord sold our apartment ... and the bastards who bought it want to move in, so we've got to find a new place now. Fuck's sake. So mad.

Damn, and Thom Yorke is going to be in your city in the few months, yesterday just wasn't you're day huh? But in all seriousness, that sucks!

 

[Axver]

Damn, and Thom Yorke is going to be in your city in the few months, yesterday just wasn't you're day huh? But in all seriousness, that sucks!

Good call.

I'm glad we've got a run of heavy gigs this week though, nothing like a good mosh for some catharsis.