80sU2isBest said:
So you are saying he probably doesn't know his true feelings on it, but you do.
What if Ben had said "It didn't work, I'm still having the same homosexual feelings as strongly as I ever did, and I know that I will never change", but I said that he only THOUGHT that the camp didn't work, and that he was actually now as straight as any other straight man, what would be your reaction to that? If I were making those assumptions, can you honestly tell me you wouldn't have debated with me on it?
i am saying that i have more experience than Ben, i've been there, and from what he says, he doesn't sound terribly "converted" to me -- in fact, it sounds like he feels better because he's made his parents happy, but that his homosexual desires have gone absolutely nowhere. he's simply able to control (i.e., repress) them better.
your question doesn't make any sense, unless you think that straight men have continual attraction to men, but are simply attracted "enough" to women to be able to have some kind of romantic relationship with them.
you're trying to filp this around, but it doesn't make any logical sense in that direction.
just like these camps don't make any logical sense. and they pretty much admit, or at least they did tonight in the Part 2 of the segment, that they don't create straight people, they merely help people "curb" behavior.
and by telling someone to repress what is as natural to them as your heterosexuality is to you is tantamount to saying: you're sick, you're wrong, you're immoral, you're diseased. God doesn't love you the way he made you (oh, sorry, God is *challenging* you).
and this is why, again, so many gay kids, especially from strongly religous households, kill themselves.
what a colossal waste of energy.