I still can't tell if they want us to vote for his VP choice or for his wife in an Edith Wilson role, but I don't think anyone truly believes he's going to be in charge. This is insane.
But that's their whole game. They want you to let them get away with class solidarity because they'll throw you a bone and say "yeah, but the Republicans, am I right?" They'll line their own pockets but say nice things about minority groups and women. They'll tsk tsk policies that hurt working people, unless they're in charge, in which case they'll pass nearly identical policies and say their hands were tied, or that they need to work with the other side so that it becomes a two way street when they're out of power (only one party operates like this).There is a couple that created this incredible (? one year ) event working with the UN that involved them working with different people around the world to coordinate it. My sister met them at some point, maybe helped them. Among the things she told me that they learned was that Americans had more trouble holding (something like) conflicting points of view than many other peoples around the world.
So in the case of Gov Cuomo I can praise, disagree, call out, or get close to condemning him for various actions/non actions. I'm shocked to learn he had a hand in the IDC! Anyway I've not been the biggest fan of his in general.
But compared to Republicans?!?
There are people, politicians with whom I have little or no conflicting views on - like W, Cheney, Trump as examples I list them as scumbags (at the very least!). I try in general as a voter to vote for the most liberal/progressive candidate as I can - unless I don't think they can win. I also have voted on the Working Families ballot line near since they formed up.
I'm a liberal, no "neo" modifier in front of it. In fact I don't think that term was even a glimmer in anyone's eye at that point ('67-'68). In fact, and I hope I still have it - flyer from the most liberal, maybe even those leaning towards democratic socialism (not sure it was an actual term used in NYC liberal circles back then. (I was 15 so not that informed yet, but already politically active) for a rally "Progressives for Humphrey". Because people realized that Nixon would be far worse, than Humphrey would ever be. Unfortunately this revelation came too late for the rising in the polls of Humphrey to close the gap. Having George Wallace in the race as a major third candidate also complicated things.
The term Progressive began to be used by liberals instead of the word - liberal, because it had been tarnished so badly in that mid-late '60's time.
So this how I tend to think about politicians (other people in semi to fully public positions) that have an effect on society.
Oh, and continue to stay safe.
I still can't tell if they want us to vote for his VP choice or for his wife in an Edith Wilson role, but I don't think anyone truly believes he's going to be in charge. This is insane.
I would feel a lot better now if Elizabeth Warren was the nominee. Like a million times better, no joke.
I would feel a lot better now if Elizabeth Warren was the nominee. Like a million times better, no joke.
a not so intelligent narcissistic con man.
You are being kind.
This is bullshit. I live in a swing state, and I'm not voting for Joe Biden, a senile old man who helped lead us into the Iraq War, supported corporations over labor, and who has been credibly accused of rape. He stands against almost everything I stand for. He's not worthy of my vote, and I don't trust him to help Americans out. My credibility would not exist if I made the choice to vote for Joe Biden. Biden will not make measurable change for people. He won't improve people's lives. Only organizing can do that now, around labor and issues and policies. Electoral politics has once again abandoned us, so we must find another way.I am optimistic for the fall. It turns out that there was no Sanders movement of any sort of size to make an actual political difference — aside from a few passionate supporters and sensing that the overall D electorate was moving left, a huge chunk of his support was simply dislike for Hillary Clinton.
I don’t understand that dislike, but then I don’t understand why no one voted for Elizabeth Warren.
Let’s set this illusion aside and focus on the task at hand. There is only one way to make real, measurable change to improve the lives of millions of people in the fall. And that’s to organize and vote Donald Trump out of office. It could have been any of those candidates, and the task would be the same. Anything else is just vanity. You have zero credibility and should not be taken seriously if you refuse to do the one thing you actually can do to affect change, especially if you live in a swing state.
Vote.
If you really wanted to get Donald Trump out of office, you would have rallied around candidates and policies that would have affected real change. But the Democrats did not do that.
Yeah, I was going to say something else. Something honest. So I'll say it-a dumb ass moron?
Suddenly voter suppression isn't an issue? Alright.
This is bullshit. I live in a swing state, and I'm not voting for Joe Biden, a senile old man who helped lead us into the Iraq War, supported corporations over labor, and who has been credibly accused of rape. He stands against almost everything I stand for. He's not worthy of my vote, and I don't trust him to help Americans out. My credibility would not exist if I made the choice to vote for Joe Biden. Biden will not make measurable change for people. He won't improve people's lives. Only organizing can do that now, around labor and issues and policies. Electoral politics has once again abandoned us, so we must find another way.
Well, 100 percent of my generation was prevented in every state that has not had a primary to this point. Anyone who was not registered as a Democrat in a closed primary state, or was prevented from doing so due to arcane rules. Anyone who had their vote thrown out because of arcane rules. Anyone who lived in a district that was projected to go heavily Sanders (i.e. college towns) that saw the same GOP tactics of artificially creating massive wait times was thrown out. Anyone who couldn't go to the polls because they couldn't afford to miss work. Anyone who was so beaten down by all of the coverage about how Biden had locked things down and their memories of how completely void of impact the Obama years were in materially improving their lives. Anyone who didn't vote because there was a fucking pandemic, despite assurances from Biden that they would be fine if they were asymptomatic.I'm sorry, 75-85% of your generation (depending on the state) was prevented from voting due to voter suppression?
I'm sorry, 75-85% of your generation (depending on the state) was prevented from voting due to voter suppression?
aren't you special and precious.
guess what: you're not. but your swing sate vote is.
use it for good. it's not about you.
I'll vote for someone I trust to do good for people. It is most certainly not about me.
Of course they do, because all you want to do is read what you want to read out of all of this. You long since stopped listening to anything I have to say. I don't care to carry this conversation on with you further because you are operating out of bad faith. I don't intend to devote further energy to discussing with someone who wants only to scold me for being some sort of brat. Go patronize someone else.your posts, including this one, indicate otherwise.
do you not realize that voting Donald Trump out of office will do the most possible good for people?
Of course they do, because all you want to do is read what you want to read out of all of this. You long since stopped listening to anything I have to say. I don't care to carry this conversation on with you further because you are operating out of bad faith. I don't intend to devote further energy to discussing with someone who wants only to scold me for being some sort of brat. Go patronize someone else.
This is bullshit. I live in a swing state, and I'm not voting for Joe Biden, a senile old man who helped lead us into the Iraq War, supported corporations over labor, and who has been credibly accused of rape. He stands against almost everything I stand for. He's not worthy of my vote, and I don't trust him to help Americans out. My credibility would not exist if I made the choice to vote for Joe Biden. Biden will not make measurable change for people. He won't improve people's lives. Only organizing can do that now, around labor and issues and policies. Electoral politics has once again abandoned us, so we must find another way.
As a matter of fact, Joe Biden has consistently told voters who pressed him on issues that mattered to them throughout the process to "go vote for someone else, then." That was his stock line. Put another way, I'm simply taking him up on that.
If you really wanted to get Donald Trump out of office, you would have rallied around candidates and policies that would have affected real change. But the Democrats did not do that.
Don't say we didn't warn you come November. Those who propped up Biden and the dying neoliberal wing of the Democratic Party are the ones responsible for what happens next, not the people who have been pointing out for years before this pandemic that universal healthcare was the only way to not have a depraved society.