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And this is why we’re screwed.
Both extremes; Cult45 and antifa are so completely lost and willing to watch it all burn.
No, you're right, let's try it your way for the hundredth time, I'm sure this time it'll work.
Seriously, horseshoe theory is fucking idiotic. You really want to keep things going and pretend anyone to the right of you is arguing in good faith?
Both extremes are the same in that they’re both feelings over fact. They’re incapable of applying any logic or practical implementation to their arguments.
I'm not saying that to disparage the Democrats as much as I'm saying it to say that I would be willing to talk about the notion of compromise in a political climate in which the viewpoints of the Democratic Party constituted the right wing. They're capitalists, and that's right wing economics no matter how much kvetching they do about the social issues. Calling for compromise makes zero sense when even centrism is only a smidge to the left of fascism.
It's just disconcerting to me when someone is trying to put forth a political paradigm where I can be in favor of single payer healthcare, higher minimum wage, free public college tuition, etc etc, and still be made to feel like I'm not progressive enough, like I'm too centrist, etc. Even if that's not what you're doing, enough others(not here, necessarily) have done it that I felt like I had to get it off my chest.
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I need to take a break from this forum again. You guys all think it's still fucking 1996.
For the record; Obama and Clinton don't support most of the things you guys say "isn't left enough for me." They can't even get there. It's not about even how they present themselves. It's how they operate. I feel like I'm out of my fucking mind reading you guys ascribe all these good things to people like Obama and Clinton that they quite literally have never done.
This.this is right on the money. i feel like this is where much, but not all, of the democratic party is, and in some ways it's a credit to the democratic socialists who, in just 2 years, have made progress by working within the Democratic Party and pulled the overall platform to the left, similar to what the Tea Party did to the GOP in 2010. this is how it works in a two party system. generally, i support the goals of the democratic socialists. "medicare for all" is now a real platfor. good. i would locate myself a half step to the left of HRC and Obama, but i'm aware that they may need to present themselves as further to the right of me in order to win elections. this is something Democrats are actually very good at doing on the presidential level. since 1988, they have won the popular vote in every single election except for 2004, where W squeaked out a victory. reasons for losses in 2000 and 2016 come down to a combination of third party idiocy, Russians, and the structural issues inherent to our system where rural votes count more than urban votes.
what the Democrats do need to do is grow a spine and fight back harder, we all agree on that. and they need to fight as dirty as the Republicans do.
however, all this does is underscore the importance of voting D no matter what, unless you're talking local elections in like San Francisco or New York. if you don't have Democrats you get nothing progressive. it's absolute garbage to say "i'm not voting for you because you're not doing enough" when actual Nazis are gathering in DC this weekend and there's a lunatic in the white house. it's also absurd to think that people in the center don't vote for socalists because they've never heard of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, or because all her candidates (who all lost on Tuesday) were somehow kneecapped by the "establishment." it is not self-evident to everyone that socialism is the only moral form of government. in fact, it's not self-evident. if you believe in a platform, make the argument and do the right, hard, slow work of pulling the the party closest to you in your direction.
i'd rather pull the centrists who actually vote to the left rather than think that saying "free college!" is going to motivate people who don't vote to actually vote, because i don't think there's any platform that's going to motivate them to vote. what would make a difference in participation would be to, say, put election day on a Saturday. or make it a national holiday. or not purge voting rolls. and you know how you do that? you get Democrats elected however you can.
the single most successful social movement of the 21st century was same-sex marriage. look how that was done. it took activists and argument and judges and elections and making the moral case to the middle that it was the right thing to do. and now it's basically settled law.
and if a bunch of fucksticks who sat on their hands in November 2016 and are willing to do so again because they aren't getting a free lollipop with their votes enable this monstrous party to remain in power and they strip my rights as a citizen, then they have a special place in hell alongside the people they are keeping in power via pouting instead of voting.
Yeaaaa that's not happening.Remember, the GOP came out of the old Whig Party. Some similar kind of rebranding may happen out of this chaos.
It's not just going to be the Democrats, all by themselves. That's not on the table. The Libertarians can't fill the gap, and forget about the Greens.
How about we get a real conservative party again, instead of a reactionary party--it was that reactionary element that made them vulnerable to Trump's warmed-over opportunistic fascism. Drop the bible-thumping--religion is a private matter. GENUINELY reach out to minorities. Support responsible fiscal policy--don't just give it lip service, like they have ever since Reagan (who ran up the debt more than any Democrat ever did).
Let the real far-right people form their own little rump party, if they like. They'll self-destruct soon enough. The GOP has a great heritage, but it's ignored that heritage for a long long time now. Stop with the wedge issues and the pandering to ignorance and hate and fear.
I don't really believe it'll happen, but it's nice to think about.
Yeaaaa that's not happening.
I do believe that we're destined for a split somewhere down the line. Probably not in our lifetimes, but perhaps the next generation.
Eventually something has to give.
You can't have increased automation, an inevitable student debt bubble crash, and a population shift to urban centers that gives a disproportionate say to the minority of voters thanks to the electoral college and not expect there to be some kind of break at some point.
And frankly I honestly think it would be for the best.
yeaaaa New York is most definitely not losing population.I agree with most of your points here, except for the fact that many urban centers are LOSING population, including California (Los Angeles) and New York City. The way these cities (including Chicago) are being run is unsustainable, and unless the leadership changes, people will keep fleeing California, New York, and Illinois (Chicago for urban center purposes).
New York City’s Population Hits a Record 8.6 Million
March 22, 2018
New York City’s population reached a record high last year of over 8.6 million and has climbed 5.5 percent since 2010, according to a Department of City Planning analysis of new Census Bureau population estimates.
There were 8,622,698 people in the city last year, 447,565 more than were counted in the 2010 census.
City demographers said the new total was the culmination of an average annual gain not seen since the first half of the 20th century, when the city became dominant in everything from finance to culture and communications — and also had strong manufacturing and shipping sectors with thousands of jobs.
there would be a billion steps to get there but yeah, why shouldn't we get rid of capitalism?
I do think there's a hybrid solution in there somewhere.
Capitalism isn't as bad as the left makes it to to be nor as good as the right says it is. Same goes with socialism.
There's zero reason why we need to fit everything into a nice tidy box.
yeaaaa New York is most definitely not losing population.
LA's population, and California as a whole, also continues to rise. California's state population hit 40 million this year, an all time high.
Chicago has seen a three year decline. So you're right on that one.
But most major cities... Houston, Seattle, Boston, Dallas, San Francisco etc. continue to grow year after year.
There's no conflicting data. There's facts, and not.Well, must be conflicting data, I had seen that year over year, New York City was declining recently, and that California, again recent, year over year was losing population, but these numbers I'm sure can be used however we want to use them. We would need another few years to see if there is a definite trend in population change for NYC or California. Not sure about NYC, but Cali is becoming increasingly expensive, like Illinois.
There's no conflicting data. There's facts, and not.
A lot of people leave NYC at a high rate, largely due to price. But more people move in than move out, by a decent clip.
That article managed to name every reason under the book yet failed to even talk about the most used subway line in Brooklyn being shut down for a few years for Sandy repairsThis is what I saw, so focused on Brooklyn, so you're right, may not be indicative of the total city.
https://www.citylab.com/equity/2018/03/brooklyn-is-booming-so-why-is-it-shrinking/556280/
Well, must be conflicting data, I had seen that year over year, New York City was declining recently, and that California, again recent, year over year was losing population, but these numbers I'm sure can be used however we want to use them. We would need another few years to see if there is a definite trend in population change for NYC or California. Not sure about NYC, but Cali is becoming increasingly expensive, like Illinois.
they made excellent movies and invented useful things in the soviet union, you know.
humans don't require huge financial incentives to be creative.