Angela Harlem
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angelordevil said:
You saved yourself...barely.
We do tend to eat the things down 'there'. I hear horsemeat is really good actually, but have never had the opportunity to try it.Angela Harlem said:Ah, brilliant. Human arrogance. We up 'here', and animals down 'there'.
BonosSaint said:Ah, you have to understand the almost sensual connection between women and horses.
indra said:
The Jockey Club (the Thoroughbred breed registry in the US) requires live cover for foals to be registered, so AI would not have been an option. AI is used extensively in the non racing sport horse industry, but often the qualities which make a horse good at racing don't work for other sports. Plus the stud fees for non race horses are substantially lower.
yolland said:No more snide remarks, please--a RIP thread is a RIP thread, whether it's for a human athlete, a poster's dog or a celebrity.
If you want to have a discussion about the appropriateness or lack of it in publically lamenting the loss of some particular person or being, then create a journal entry or perhaps a thread in FYM to debate the issue. Getting your agitation out by mocking one particular instance of it is inappropriate.
yolland said:No more snide remarks, please--a RIP thread is a RIP thread, whether it's for a human athlete, a poster's dog or a celebrity.
If you want to have a discussion about the appropriateness or lack of it in publically lamenting the loss of some particular person or being, then create a journal entry or perhaps a thread in FYM to debate the issue. Getting your agitation out by mocking one particular instance of it is inappropriate.
Angela Harlem said:Ah, brilliant. Human arrogance. We up 'here', and animals down 'there'.
indra said:
U2Kitten -- given your reasoning for your stance against euthanasia, I would guess you're a vegan or at least a vegetarian. Am I right?
angelordevil said:
DaveC, judging by your subsequent replies after your so-called apology, I'm assuming it wasn't sincere in the first place. More like calculated. Too bad.
Also, if you want to know why we spend more time worrying about animals than AIDS orphans you should look something up on Marshall McLuhan. 'The Medium is the Message'...have you heard about him? He's Canadian. Look him up. Be a part of the solution.
randhail said:No glue factory for him - somehow I doubt that was ever a possibility with him - he could be buried at Churchill Downs or at some horse farm.
Death of a Derby Winner: Slaughterhouse Likely Fate for Ferdinand
by Ray Paulick
Date Posted: July 25, 2003
Last Updated: July 25, 2003
Ferdinand, the 1986 Kentucky Derby winner who went on to capture the following year's Horse of the Year title with a dramatic victory over 1987 Derby hero Alysheba in the Breeders' Cup Classic, is dead. The Blood-Horse has learned the big chestnut son of Nijinsky II died sometime in 2002, most likely in a slaughterhouse in Japan, where his career at stud was unsuccessful.
Reporter Barbara Bayer, as detailed in an exclusive story in the July 26 issue of The Blood-Horse, attempted to learn of Ferdinand's whereabouts after a member of the Howard Keck family that owned and bred the horse inquired about having him returned to the United States, where he began his career at stud. As a racehorse, Ferdinand won eight of 29 starts and earned $3,777,978, retiring as what was then the fifth leading money winner of all time. His victory in the Kentucky Derby gave trainer Charlie Whittingham his first success in that classic, and it was the final career Derby win for jockey Bill Shoemaker.
Ferdinand was retired to stud in 1989 at Claiborne Farm near Paris, Ky., where he was foaled. His initial stud fee was $30,000 live foal, but he achieved little success as a stallion from his first few crops of runners.
Sold to Japan's JS Company in the fall of 1994 at a time when Japanese breeding farms were aggressively pursuing American and European breeding stock, Ferdinand spent six breeding seasons at Arrow Stud on the northern island of Hokkaido, from 1995-2000. Initially popular with local breeders (he was mated to 77 mares his first year), Ferdinand was bred to just 10 mares in his final year at Arrow, and his owners opted to get rid of him.
After efforts by the farm staff to place Ferdinand with a riding club failed, he passed into the hands of a Monbetsu, Japan, horse dealer named Yoshikazu Watanabe and left the farm Feb. 3, 2001. No attempt was made to contact either the Keck family or Claiborne Farm.
Bayer at first was told by Watanabe that Ferdinand had been "given to a friend." When she asked for more information, she was told Ferdinand "was gelded and I think he's at a riding club far away from here." In fact, records showed Ferdinand was bred to six mares in 2001 and then two in 2002. He spent a period of time at Goshima Farm near Niikappu, where a former handler at Arrow Stud had seen him.
Finally, when Bayer told Watanabe she wanted to see Ferdinand, the story changed yet again. "Actually, he isn't around anymore," she was told. "He was disposed of late last year." Ferdinand's registration in Japan was annulled Sept. 1, 2002, Bayer learned.
"In Japan, the term 'disposed of' is used to mean slaughtered," Bayer wrote in The Blood-Horse. "No one can say for sure when and where Ferdinand met his end, but it would seem clear he met it in a slaughterhouse."
"Unfortunately, to those well-versed in the realities beyond the glitter and glory of the racetrack, it comes as no surprise," Bayer wrote. "Ferdinand's story is the story of nearly every imported stallion in Japan at that point in time when the figures no longer weigh in his favor. In a country where racing is kept booming by the world's highest purses and astronomical betting revenues, Ferdinand's fate is not the exception. It is the rule."
"That's just disgusting," said Dell Hancock, whose family operates Claiborne Farm, upon hearing the news of Ferdinand's likely fate. "It's so sad, but there is nothing anyone can do now except support John Hettinger's efforts to stop the slaughter of Thoroughbreds in this country. That wouldn't change anything in Japan...to have this happen to a Derby winner is just terrible."
While the Japanese are among the societies that consume horse meat, it is more likely a slaughtered Thoroughbred would be used for pet food, since the meat consumed by humans is a certain breed of horse raised specifically for that purpose. The slaughter of no longer useful imported breeding stock and many domestic Japanese Thoroughbreds is not uncommon. Shortages of land and the high cost of maintaining a pensioned horse are reasons slaughter is considered an alternate. As in the U.S., where slaughter is also an option available for horse owners, a number of organizations are attempting to provide homes for retired and pensioned racehorses, stallions, and mares. The Japan Racing Association funds one program that currently benefits 90 horses.
Among the people Bayer met and spoke with while trying to learn of Ferdinand's fate was Toshiharu Kaibazawa, who worked as a stallion groom at Arrow Stud during the horse's years there. He called the former champion "the gentlest horse you could imagine. He'd come over when I called to him in the pasture. And anyone could have led him with just a halter on him. ... He'd come over to me and press his head up against me. He was so sweet."
"I want to get angry about what happened to him," Kaibazawa added. "It's just heartless, too heartless."
Then again, maybe you can be sure:Headache in a Suitcase said:
don't be so sure...
Barbaro May Be Buried at Churchill Downs
By Associated Press
Published January 30, 2007, 12:50 PM CST
KENNETT SQUARE, Pa. -- Barbaro's final resting place could be just a few hundred yards from the scene of his greatest triumph in the Kentucky Derby.
Officials at the Kentucky Derby Museum, located on the grounds of Churchill Downs, said Tuesday they'd be "honored" if Barbaro were buried in a garden along with four other Derby winners.
"We've expressed to them how honored we'd be to have Barbaro here," Lynn Ashton, executive director of the museum, said. "We feel like we're bringing horses back to be honored."
The grave sites of Derby winners Sunny's Halo (1983), Carry Back (1961), Swaps (1955) and Brokers Tip (1933) are located outside on the museum grounds.
Owners Gretchen and Roy Jackson said Monday a final decision on where Barbaro would be buried had not been made. Other possibilities include the Kentucky Horse Park in Lexington, Ky., and the Jacksons' Lael Farm, just a few miles away from the University of Pennsylvania's New Bolton Center.
The Jacksons did not immediately return phone calls Tuesday morning.
Barbaro was euthanized Monday after complications from his gruesome breakdown at last year's Preakness, ending an eight-month ordeal that made him even more of a hero than he was as an undefeated Derby winner.
MrPryck2U said:Where'd you hear that?
MrPryck2U said:But, in Secretariat's case, his whole body was buried.
DaveC said:ETA: For those of you who are here for reasons other than those mentioned in the above post, I'm again sorry for derailing the thread. I felt that I needed to reply to the quoted post. I'll get out of your hair once I see what happens.
DaveC said:
Err...It's a horse.
I prefer to reserve my grief for sapient life.
DaveC said:See you around.