U2Girl1978
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nm. I cannot read lately. holy hell!
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yolland said:Did she say that she was born in the Netherlands? Did she say that she had a Dutch passport? Did she say that she has lived there? Did she say that she speaks Dutch regularly? No.
Ageeth, care to spell out in your own words what exactly you think "Dutch the way she thinks she is" amounts to?
And more to the point, why it matters?
U2Girl1978 said:
You are obviously not reading her post correctly.
U2Girl1978 said:
I would consider you German.
Why? Even though you are an American, you have German heritage.
I'm from Italian and German heritage.
Fair enough.ylimeU2 said:And I can understand why it matters to Ageeth to have someone say they are more Dutch than the Dutch.
bammo2 said:But I don't truly see how you can claim to be Dutch, German, Swedish, Turkish, Outer Mongolian unless you are living in that country, breathing that air, voting for their leaders, paying their taxes and contributing to the way that country evolves and devlops
Ageeth said:
ah that should be because i am dutch
ylimeU2 said:
You've just said it yourself. I am an American. I have a German heritage. There is a difference.
Other than the first part, saying you would consider me to be German, that is. And I don't consider myself German. Neither does my family in Germany. I'm an American to them.
WildHoneyAlways said:
But to be fair there are plenty of people who are who live and breath air of countries who don't do any of the things you've posted.
New rule: Let's not tell each other what we are or are not.
U2Girl1978 said:
Well you're making it into some sort of nationality issue and that isn't what I meant.
ylimeU2 said:
Can't you see this is the point? Ageeth's nationality is Dutch. LivLuv's heritage is Dutch. There is a difference.
I understand what you are saying, but for better or for worse we just don't generally frame those distinctions in quite the same way over here. What we mean by (e.g.) "I'm Dutch" is in fact much closer to what you are classifying under "heritage." And again, it is not an alternative identity to being American (our nationality); it is a supplemental one.bammo2 said:Sure, if your family comes from a country, you have a heritage descended from there, and that's great. But I don't truly see how you can claim to be Dutch, German, Swedish, Turkish, Outer Mongolian unless you are living in that country, breathing that air, voting for their leaders, paying their taxes and contributing to the way that country evolves and devlops
bammo2 said:Fair enough if you're claiming a heritage. but when you say you are Dutch, or German, that is claiming a nationality [/B]
bammo2 said:Ageeth is a woman. It's a Dutch name
yolland said:
I understand what you are saying, but for better or for worse we just don't generally frame those distinctions in quite the same way over here. What we mean by (e.g.) "I'm Dutch" is in fact much closer to what you are classifying under "heritage." And again, it is not an alternative identity to being American (our nationality); it is a supplemental one.
It's not like we're expecting automatic dual citizenship for it or something.
lmjhitman said:i'm finding this to be a very interesting discussion. how do we define ourselves nationality-wise? culturally? ethnically? residentially?
i was born in germany and my parents and i came to canada when i was a baby. i was raised canadian. my parents are from india, however. i do not speak either of their native languages and i have only been to india once when i was a child on a family vacation. i do enjoy indian food. i have a canadian passport that says i was born in germany and that i'm a canadian citizen. i also love hockey. i cheer for canada during the olympics. i would find it strange to live anywhere that doesn't have winter. and i say 'eh'.
when someone asks me what i am, i would like to be able to say 'canadian' and be done with it. but the fact is, they look at my brown skin and i have to qualify my answer by saying that my parents are from india. only then do they feel their question is answered.
but it doesn't ring true to me. i don't feel indian - i'm the least indian person i know. but people aren't satisfied with hearing that i'm just canadian.
i'm not sure what this adds, if anything, to the discussion. i just thought i'd add a non-caucasian perspective.
Sicy said:I would never claim to be more Italian than Italians that born, raised and live in Italy.. I guess I did not read where Leis said that.