MadelynIris
Refugee
A hornets nest big time....
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapcf/05/15/afghan.protests.reut/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapcf/05/15/afghan.protests.reut/index.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7857154/site/newsweek/Last Friday, a top Pentagon spokesman told us that a review of the probe cited in our story showed that it was never meant to look into charges of Qur’an desecration. The spokesman also said the Pentagon had investigated other desecration charges by detainees and found them “not credible.” Our original source later said he couldn’t be certain about reading of the alleged Qur’an incident in the report we cited, and said it might have been in other investigative documents or drafts. Top administration officials have promised to continue looking into the charges, and so will we. But we regret that we got any part of our story wrong, and extend our sympathies to victims of the violence and to the U.S. soldiers caught in its midst.
BonosSaint said:I believe the Pentagon about as much as I believe the media
Dreadsox said:Personally I think this thread should be closed. I think people are too quick to find a way to portray the US in a certain light, and the sheer joy of posting this was too much to hold back.
there could be a little lesson in media responsibility especially with stories like this
Dreadsox said:
Personally I think this thread should be closed. I think people are too quick to find a way to portray the US in a certain light, and the sheer joy of posting this was too much to hold back.
"If the rules of the Geneva Convention did not apply, what rules did apply?" asks Pelley.
"I don't think anybody knew that," says Saar.
And so, Saar said, some U.S. military intelligence personnel used cruelty, and even bizarre sexual tactics against the prisoners. Saar has written a book, "Inside the Wire," about his experiences at Guantanamo. Penguin Press will release it on Tuesday.
He told 60 Minutes about one interrogation in particular, in which he translated for a female interrogator who was trying to break a high-priority prisoner — a Saudi who had been in flight school in the United States.
"As she stood in front of him, she slowly started to unbutton her Army blouse. She had on underneath the Army blouse a tight brown Army T-shirt, touched her breasts, and said, 'Don't you like these big American breasts?'" says Saar. "She wanted to create a barrier between this detainee and his faith, and if she could somehow sexually entice him, he would feel unclean in an Islamic way, he would not be able to pray and go before his God and gain that strength, so the next day, maybe he would be able to start cooperating, start talking to her."
But the prisoner wasn’t talking, so Saar said the interrogator increased the pressure.
"She started to unbutton her pants and reached and put her hands in her pants and then started to circle around the detainee. And when she had her hands in her pants, apparently she used something to put what appeared to be menstrual blood on her hand, but in fact was ink," says Saar.
"When she circled around the detainee, she pulled out her hand, which was red, and said, 'I'm actually menstruating right now, and I'm touching you. Does that please your God? Does that please Allah?' And then he kind of got pent up and shied away from her, and she then took the ink and wiped it on his face, and said, 'How do you like that?'" Then, the interrogator sent the prisoner back to his cell with a message.
"She said, 'Have fun trying to pray tonight while there's no water in your cell,’ meaning that she was gonna have the water turned off in his cell, so that he then could not go back and become ritually clean. So he then therefore could not pray," says Saar.
deep said:they would never stoop to putting a Koran on a toilet.
Dreadsox said:
The deeper issue is that so far, people are quick to blame the White House for the MISCONDUCT of soldiers, yet not so quick to acknowledge that the soldiers who ARE being punished for their ILLEGAL actions.
mtoreilly said:
I'd probably agree. I'm not American, I'm British, but from what I have read the US government is about as credible as the British government. Read: liars.
I would also like to point out that I helped weaken the Labour Party's grasp on the country and reduce Mr Blair's majority in the recent general election by contributing to the ousting of the Labour MP for Cardiff Central
Jumpin' Jack Fl said:
I think it's shocking that so many people in Britiain are prepared to instantly call Blair a liar over all of this, particularly when so few people were against the whole fiasco in Iraq when it first began. And may I remind you that we are U2 fans - Labour are the ones who have delivered the most on global povery and will almost certainly continue to do so. Just be grateful it's not the bloody Conservatives.
nbcrusader said:You are arguing two separate issues.
We should not gloss over media irresponsibility on this basis.
It is also Orwellian that we immediately accept whatever Newsweek prints as gospel truth.
Irvine511 said:
this goes all the way up to Gonzales, and i (as a citizen) demand accountability for crimes perpetrated IN OUR NAME that ultimately feeds into the worst imagined fears of Americans and ultimately makes us all less safe, both on the streets of East Coast cities and our soldiers in the field.