martha
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so if i said Allah, that would make my "fake" tolerance, look more realistic? i need to right this down, for future reference.
Did I say your tolerance was fake?
so if i said Allah, that would make my "fake" tolerance, look more realistic? i need to right this down, for future reference.
I was startled when I watched it to see that Warren wasn't even trying to be nondenominational with his invocation, because that's the expected standard for public events. If you're going to have a prayer on such an occasion, it ain't that hard to compose a nice nondenominational one.
Did I say your tolerance was fake?
i'm sure Warren thought he was being brave and bold and audacious. you know, unafraid to love that Rebel from Nazareth in the face of growing secularity and a world that's hostile to Christians and all that self-serving stuff.
no. if you really meant no sarcasm by you remark, i am sorry. its hard to tell sometimes.
i'm sure Warren thought he was being brave and bold and audacious. you know, unafraid to love that Rebel from Nazareth in the face of growing secularity and a world that's hostile to Christians and all that self-serving stuff.
I really do find it interesting that when Christians are trying to be tolerant in the face of a fellow Christian's intolerance and exclusion, they usually invoke Buddha. I suspect it's because they feel it's an inoffensive reference and not quite as loaded as invoking Allah, which may actually offend the Christian using the reference.
i know very little about rick warren, but maybe, just maybe he really does loves the "rebel from nazareth" about anything else and thats all he was thinking.
who knows, maybe i am just too naive.
I think a prayer like that spits on the policy of separating church from state.
Warren has books to sell. he loves much more than that "rebel from nazareth." which is an FYM inside joke, btw.
i'm fairly confident that his deliberate mentioning of Jesus in not one, not two, but four languages and then the recitation of the Lord's Prayer was meant to be a show of strength to hiscustomerssupporters.
wow. that is pretty cynical. i'm glad to know that FYM, has decided who is sincere and who is not.
like i said, i know very little about rick warren, how he spends his money, or how many books he sells. maybe he is a false 'profit'. i don't have a clue.
so if you sell a book you can't be sincere about your beliefs? or is there a just a cut off, that once you sell a certain number or make a certain amout of money, then you are no longer sincere?
what if all the money you make from the books you give away (i'm not talking about rick warren)? then you can still be sincere?
it would be a better country, and world, if he were to become the face of American Christianity rather than Fallwell, Robertson, Dobson and, yes, W.
sounds like a very admirable person. you're lucky to have him so close.
just browsing the threads in here, by searching for his name. this is a quote from you (irvine511). it was in response to a thread that says he tithes 90% and doesn't take a salary from his church.
what am i missing? i didn't see his name in any thread titles.
is it you don't agree with his theology, or is there something shady in his past that makes you think he is all about money? honest question, all i know about him is he has a huge church and wrote purpose drive life.
He is for traditional marriage
I thought the Our Father was ridiculous, as were his repeated invocations of Jesus. These prayers are usually generic, but this one appealed to nobody outside of Christians.
For pity's sake, can anyone remember Billy Graham's inaugural prayer from 1993, when he specifically prayed about how we as a nation had turned our backs on God and we needed to repent and turn back to Him? I would think that would be a much more offensive prayer.
And for those viewers counting at home, Billy Graham referenced Jesus in 2001, too.
i've thought inviting Warren was a mistake from the beginning, and he lived up to why i thought it was a mistake. it's less that my belief system -- or lack of a belief system -- was threatened or offended, and more that i felt his direct prayer to Jesus was offensive to a multicultural society.
you americans are far too easily offended by just about everything.
See also: he doesn't think homosexuals deserve equal treatment under the law.
just browsing the threads in here, by searching for his name. this is a quote from you (irvine511). it was in response to a thread that says he tithes 90% and doesn't take a salary from his church.
Oh, for the love of pete.
First of all, government didn't endorse religion. Obama didn't pray to Jesus. Rick Warren did -- a conservative, evangelical pastor, who was invited by Obama, who shares a common Christianity, particularly when it comes to issues of global poverty and public health issues. Warren was asked to serve a particular function, which he served. His prayer was addressed to "Almighty God, our Father," which is a pretty generic term for God that Catholics, Muslims, Jews and Christians (who together constitute over 90% of Americans) generally pray in a form of. It was only at the end of the prayer that Warren referenced Jesus -- incidentally doing so by saying, "I pray this in the name of the man who changed my life" -- making the prayer specific to him. Sure, he used several different culturally-relevant usages of Jesus' name, but it was a singular reference at the end of a prayer that was well over five minutes long. (Even the "Our Father" doesn't reference Jesus' name.) In any event, he's allowed to do so -- both as a pastor and as a private citizen.
For pity's sake, can anyone remember Billy Graham's inaugural prayer from 1993, when he specifically prayed about how we as a nation had turned our backs on God and we needed to repent and turn back to Him? I would think that would be a much more offensive prayer.
And for those viewers counting at home, Billy Graham referenced Jesus in 2001, too.
incidentally doing so by saying, "I pray this in the name of the man who changed my life" -- making the prayer specific to him.