Dreadsox said:One thing, the fact that the government has been releasing detainees would lead me to believe that they are and have been working hard to make certain that they have the correct people being held prisoner.
I do feel badly that some people have been held and released. I also think there needs to be compensation for this.
Angela Harlem said:Are you mocking me with that clap?
Even looking at it as you do, I'd still think there would be urgency in getting these people sentenced. Dont get me wrong, I feel no sympathy for anyone who is guilty and any that are can cheerfully rot for all I care. Which is kinda another point. What happened to punishment and justice etc? Why is there no hurry to get this sorted out? I know no one is really sparing a thought for any who are guilty, but they aren't all guilty are they. Actually none of us really know because they aren't even allowed lawyers.
And as for your point that there are no clear rules, I agree, but firstly there is no time like the present - after all I am all for people suffering for their sins/crimes/actions - and secondly, it moots your Nazi comparison
Dreadsox said:Others here may not view it as a war, however, shall I list the number of attacks committed by Al-Qaeda over the last ten years. It is indeed a war in my mind. They are indeed POW's until the Supreme Court declares otherwise.
To be entitled to prisoner of war status, the combatant must conduct operations according to the laws and customs of war, e.g. be part of a chain of command, wear a uniform and bear arms openly. Thus, franc-tireurs, terrorists and spies are excluded. It also does not include unarmed non-combatants who are captured in time of war; they are protected by the Fourth Geneva Convention rather than the Third Geneva Convention.
nbcrusader said:This is exactly the reason for the different treatment. Society accords rights to POWs because the wear a uniform and hold themselves out to be different than civilians.
For all the sorrow expressed about the loss of civilian lives, we fail to realize that combatants who do not wear uniforms lead to the death of civilians.
BonoVoxSupastar said:I'm glad some of you can sit back in the comfort of your home and support this kind of action being taken by your country but I can't.
nbcrusader said:
We can sit in the comfort of our homes because we choose to live by the laws of society. If you or I would take up arms in a foreign country unaffiliated with any army or nation, I doubt either of us would expect treatment according to US criminal justice standards.
Headache in a Suitcase said:
I can't sit back in comfort either. Once all these al Qaeda S.O.B.'s are locked away or dead, then and only then will I sit in comfort.
The people locked away down there aren't your every day common criminal... but then, they're not prisoners of war as defined by Geneva. They are fighters in a war, but they wave no flag. This is new for all of us. There is no right or wrong way to handle it, because there's never been a situation like it before. These people have been in a state of war with us, and it took an event like 9/11 to finally realize this. Dread is right... keep the prisoners locked away until the world as a whole can write up a new set of rules that apply to terrorist organizations as opposed to nation-states.
And it sickens me that we're talking about the rights of terrorists as the news of Pat Tillman comes across the radio.
BluberryPoptart said:I reeeeaaaally doubt these people are being held for no good reason. I don't care what you all think of Bush or the Gov't they just don't go around detaining people for nothing. I would guess the real story behind this is they ARE dangerous terrorists, and we know it, but there is no way to PROVE it because they will not rat each other out and there is nothing on paper. But they are too dangerous to be released. Again, you who care so much for them should just be glad they are alive and have hope and didn't 'disappear' as they would in many places at many times. They can't play by the rules when the game has changed. I'm sure they know what they're doing and it will all come out someday and you'll see. There is more to this than we know.
BluberryPoptart said:I reeeeaaaally doubt these people are being held for no good reason. I don't care what you all think of Bush or the Gov't they just don't go around detaining people for nothing. I would guess the real story behind this is they ARE dangerous terrorists, and we know it, but there is no way to PROVE it because they will not rat each other out and there is nothing on paper. But they are too dangerous to be released. Again, you who care so much for them should just be glad they are alive and have hope and didn't 'disappear' as they would in many places at many times. They can't play by the rules when the game has changed. I'm sure they know what they're doing and it will all come out someday and you'll see. There is more to this than we know.
BluberryPoptart said:I feel some of you are giving them too much of the benefit of the doubt, and holding them to a standard they know nothing about.
Headache in a Suitcase said:when the war on terrorism is over, then they can have their trial.
Headache in a Suitcase said:like dread already said... since when have we had trials for war cimminals in the middle of a war? when the war on terrorism is over, then they can have their trial.
BluberryPoptart said:Also how can you 'try' somebody when the only solid evidence (by US justice standards) is the testimony of each other and they will not give that? They'd rather die than cooperate with us. They don't even know what a US trial is like so they have no idea they are not getting one anyway. If they weren't dangerous terrorists they would have begged for mercy and done anything they could to get back home to their families. So they must be, and not talking is part of what makes them look suspicious. But a real old fashioned American style hometown trial does not suit this situation so let's leave it to those who know the whole story.
BonoVoxSupastar said:Once again the only fact that we know so far is that there have been innocent people held there as long as 2 years