coemgen
Rock n' Roll Doggie
http://www.cnn.com/video/partners/c...2006/08/13/cantu.or.cancer.disappears.kgw.kgw
A mighty God, indeed.
A mighty God, indeed.
verte76 said:My damn pop-up blocker kept me from watching that video. It's always nice to read some good news.
coemgen said:
It should give you a button to click to launch the video player, though. Just go to CNN.com if that doesn't come up. It's a very moving story.
coemgen said:deep, I'm guessing this is your story that you shared. I'm truly sorry to hear of this.
God doesn't always answer our prayers, or answer them how we want them to be answered. I've found this to be the case in many of my own prayers on serious matters.
That's doesn't mean he didn't answer the prayer of the girl and her family, though, or that he doesn't continue to answer people's prayers. Many people in the Bible didn't receive answers. This doesn't mean God isn't good, or that he doesn't love us or that he's not in control.
I certainly hope this hasn't kept you from praying. I know that sounds almost cruel to say, but I hope you know that's not how I mean it. Again, I'm sorry about your mother. I truly am.
coemgen
deep said:
a book I would highly reccomend
"Why bad things happen to good people"
approaches life and death from a mature, reasoned place,
and debunks all the silly things people say
when someone suffers an unbearable loss.
80sU2isBest said:
Something you always hear in the movies and TV that really irks me is people saying "It was God's will".
coemgen said:
Why do bad things happen to good people? Define "good" people.
deep said:one of the myths that is included in the book
a long with
he/she was too good to be on this earth
G-d needed her/him in heaven
some believe they sinned,
so G-d punished them by taking their child
coemgen said:Have you read the book of Job?
deep said:
some believe they sinned,
so G-d punished them by taking their child
80sU2isBest said:
That's the worst one I've heard of. Can you imagine how that would make someone feel not only about himself, but also about God?
deep said:
In the book
people tell themselfs that
because they have lived a life as believers
and they believe their children are innocent
and "G-d is in control"
so it must be
because, pick one? they had sex before marraige, did not attend Church that Easter, whatever. To make sense of their faith, Believers want G-d to be in controll, I think they even post statements to that effect.
80sU2isBest said:
Something you always hear in the movies and TV that really irks me is people saying "It was God's will".
80sU2isBest said:An argument I have had with Calvinists and Reformed Theologists is about their idea that "God's will is always done". I don't believe that. I think free will and natural disasters/diseases ensure that. For instance, is it God's will that a child be raped by an evil man? I would say not. That act is committed by someone who has a free will and chose to do an evil thing.
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Of course, Calvinists say that the "all" doesn't mean "all". If it does, then their idea of predestination doesn't hold up.
LivLuvAndBootlegMusic said:
I'm not sure what you're getting at in the second bit there. John Calvin believed in the supreme authority of God, such that if God were to predestine who was saved and who wasn't, then so be it, God is God and He has that power. Whether or not predestination is actually practiced by God is an entirely different issue. You cannot believe in an entirely supreme God if you refuse to accept that he COULD predestine people to various fates, if that were His will (no one's arguing that it is).
80sU2isBest said:
I've never met a Calvinist who didn't believe that God DID predestine, so yes, people are arguing that he did.
As you probably know, Calvinism is based on 5 points, called (3)TULIP. Points 2 through 4 specifically address predestination, and yes, they say that God DOES predestine. In case you forgot points 2 through 4, here they are:
By the way, if "all" means "all", then predestination goes out the window because if God:
(1) Desires that all men be saved
and
(2) Predestines salvation
then wouldn't it follow that
(3) God would predestine all people to salvation?
LivLuvAndBootlegMusic said:
TULIP doctrine was generated by the Canons of Dort after the death of John Calvin. It's more post-Calvin Protestantism than Calvinism. They took almost meaningless passags from Calvin's Institutes (yes, predestination is the BIG one) and twisted his words until they settled on the halfass TULIP. Calvinism is based on the teachings of John Calvin. This is a huge misunderstanding and on-going bone of contention among "Calvinists"/Protestant Christians (mainly Christian Reformed). As a professing member of the Christian Reformed Church of NA, I will accept TULIP and the Canons as the integral theology of the denomination, but I'd never say it is the basis for Calvinism. Jean Cauvin alone is the basis for Calvinism.
80sU2isBest said:
You know a lot more about the history of it than I do. The fact remains that I've never met a Calvinist who didn't believe in TULIP 100%, including the idea of predestination.