Irvine511
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The fact that Justin happens to be gay doesn't change the fact that I think this argument falls on very faulty logic.
and there we have it.
The fact that Justin happens to be gay doesn't change the fact that I think this argument falls on very faulty logic.
You mean, gay people have a variety of opinions?! Just like regular people?!
believe it or not, there are some gay people who hate other gay people.
believe it or not, there are some gay people who hate other gay people.
You mean leftwing gay people that hate conservative gay people? Have you seen examples of this in practice? For example, are conservative gays discriminated against by liberal gays, or do they feel they have to keep their views to themselves? Often majorities tend to discriminate against minorities, so it would not be surprising if conservative gays faced a lot of ostracism from their communites.
PS: Martha and BVS, stick to the day jobs, I do not see a glittering career in comedy in front of you.
You mean leftwing gay people that hate conservative gay people? Have you seen examples of this in practice? For example, are conservative gays discriminated against by liberal gays, or do they feel they have to keep their views to themselves? Often majorities tend to discriminate against minorities, so it would not be surprising if conservative gays faced a lot of ostracism from their communities.
no, if anything, the "conservative gay" seems to be a bit of a phase, kind of like going goth your sophomore year of high school. it draws attention, and it can be fun to tweak the establishment, but most eventually realize that they're only cutting themselves.
Well, the various gay leaders (e.g., Griffin, Haider, Petzner, Fortuyn) of the far right movement in Europe seemingly didn't grow out of it and went further to the extreme as they grew older! But I digress.
Have you ever in fact met a conservative adult gay person?
Well, the various gay leaders (e.g., Griffin, Haider, Petzner, Fortuyn) of the far right movement in Europe seemingly didn't grow out of it and went further to the extreme as they grew older! But I digress.
Have you ever in fact met a conservative adult gay person?
yes. you'll find that gays are as diverse as any other constituency. ... but you can find any strain of thought you want.
You mean, gay people have a variety of opinions?! Just like regular people?!
yes. you'll find that gays are as diverse as any other constituency.
Would you ever ask such a question or make such a statement about straight people or black people?
It just shines through sometimes.
What is your point? What does this have to do with the topic?
Please, do tell...
You implied I was a homophobe. I want you to tell me if you think Johann Hari is a homophobe also.
But you just said not a few minutes ago that the 'conservative gay' was just a phase that most grew out of.
for many, yes. i was being fresh, to a degree, but many gays have a strong libertarian impulse that's usually tempered by the fact that the Republicans actually are out to get them. but this doesn't apply to everyone.
you see, it's difficult to make broad, sweeping statements about a group of people who are found at a very consistent percentage (5%, give or take) across every society, every country, every socioeconomic status, across history.
So is this going to be the defense from now on?
If there is a story about racism, you'll find a black writer that has written some disparaging article about black people using rumors and speculations?
If there is a story about anti-semitism, you'll find some a Jewish author...
If there is a story about misogyny you'll turn to Ann Coulter?
Is. Johann. Hari. A. Homophobe. Yes. Or. No.
Obama Intends to Extend Federal Benefits to Unmarried Partners
Updated 9:23 p.m.
By Scott Butterworth
President Obama will announce tomorrow that he is extending federal benefits to include unmarried domestic partners of federal workers, including same-sex partners, White House officials said tonight.
Obama will sign an executive order implementing the change in the Oval Office, the officials said, speaking on condition of anonymity to avoid upstaging the president's announcement.
The action will come as welcome news to gay-rights activists, who have voiced loud disappointment with Obama's handling of several issues important to their community.
Is. Johann. Hari. A. Homophobe. Yes. Or. No.
Hari, who is openly gay, supports gay rights, advocating full legal equality, including same-sex marriage. He has criticized radical gay theorists, and ideas of gay difference, superiority or separatism.
Yes, agreed. Would you agree that most mainstream gay lobby groups largely do not represent conservative or libertarian gays?
Pentagon mulls easing 'don't ask, don't tell' law: Gates
The Pentagon is considering how it might ease the "don't ask, don't tell" law requiring gays to keep quiet about their sexual identity or face expulsion from the military, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Tuesday.
"One of the things we're looking at is, is there flexibility in how we apply this law," Gates told reporters aboard a military plane.
The Pentagon boss said he discussed the issue last week with US President Barack Obama and that there also has been discussion among senior military and legal counsel about possible changes in how they apply the law, which he described as "very restrictive."
"We're talking about how do we move forward on this, achieve this objective which is changing the policy."
Gates added: "What I discovered when I got into it was it's a very restrictive law. It doesn't leave much to the imagination, or a lot of flexibility."
The defense secretary said one possible modification might be consider the circumstances under which a service member is "outed" in determining whether or not he or she must leave the military.
Gates offered as an example "when we're given information from someone with vengeance in mind or blackmail, somebody who has been jilted.
"If somebody is outed by a third party, does that force us to take action?" he said.
"That's the kind of thing we're looking at -- seeing if there's a more humane way to apply the law until it gets changed."