Dreadsox said:OK...and examining their site, I would say that they, also pushing Bible Cd's to earn money, would have a reason for pumping the "Judeo-Christian" links to the constitution.
Dreadsox said:Why is it off track? Because they were Freemasons, and deists, and believed in completely different ideals than the religious right agenda?
deep said:http://www.nccs.net/newsletter/may03nl.html
here is the site again
all the items you posted were bits of writings and speechs
one may have been a law
it was laws we were talking about, right?
so we could not have the above without
thacraic said:
No because this thread is about the DEATH PENALTY!!!!!!!!!
Dreadsox said:I take quotes, taken out of the context of the original document...
on a site that is pumping a religious agenda......
to be biased.....
yes.....
And I do not have the time to do the proper research, but do not fret...if I have the time tonight, I will be back if not....wednesday.
thacraic said:
You do not think that the
laws
of this country are not rooted in Judeo-Chrisitian belief?
Dreadsox said:
Tone it down...
deep said:
I will ask again
what laws?
that site listed remarks
only one law
and there really was no connection.
thacraic said:
Ok well I will seek out the original documents these quotes came from. You do the same. I have a feeling it isnt going to be pretty.
Judeo-Christian Roots
"Hear the causes between your brethren, and judge righteously between every man and his brother, and the stranger that is with him. Ye shall not respect [discriminate against] persons in judgment; but ye shall hear the small as well as the great; ye shall not be afraid of the face of man; for the judgment is God's: and the cause that is too hard for you, bring it unto me, and I will hear it." (Deuteronomy 1:16-17)
"Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect [discriminate against] the person of the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbor." (Leviticus 19:15)
"God is no respecter of persons (Acts 10:34)
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. (Galatians 3:28)
"No title of nobility shall be granted by the United States" U.S. Constitution, Art. I, Sec. 9, Paragraph 8)
Dreadsox said:My goodness....I need to check myself out....I am agreeing with deep
Dreadsox said:One thing.....
John Adams, George Washington, and Thomas Jefferson did not create the law of the land.....
These guys did....
New Hampshire
John Langdon
Nicholas Gilman
Massachusetts
Rufus King
Nathaniel Gorham
Connecticut
Roger Sherman
William Samuel Johnson
New York
Alexander Hamilton
New Jersey
William Livingston
David Brearley
William Paterson
Jonathan Dayton
Pennsylvania
Benjamin Franklin
Thomas Mifflin
Robert Morris
George Clymer
Thomas FitzSimons
Jared Ingersoll
Gouverneur Morris
James Wilson
Delaware
George Read
Gunning Bedford, Jr.
John Dickinson
Richard Bassett
Jacob Broom
Maryland
James McHenry
Daniel Carroll
Dan of St. Thomas Jenifer Virginia
John Blair
James Madison, Jr.
North Carolina
William Blount
Richard Dobbs Spaight
Hugh Williamson
South Carolina
John Rutledge
Charles Cotesworth Pinckney
Charles Pinckney
Pierce Butler
Georgia
William Few
Abraham Baldwin
Catholic Bishops Campaign Against Death Penalty
2 hours, 25 minutes ago
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Catholic bishops on Monday launched a campaign against the death penalty and presented new data suggesting support for capital punishment among American Catholics had fallen sharply in recent years to below 50 percent.
Washington Archbishop Theodore McCarrick told a news conference the campaign would bring renewed urgency and energy to efforts to end capital punishment.
"The use of the death penalty ought to be abandoned because we have other alternative ways to protect society," he said.
Use of the death penalty has been falling in recent years. In 2004, 69 people were executed, the lowest number since 1997. So far this year, 12 people have been executed, according to the Death Penalty Information Center.
The number of people sentenced to death has also fallen from a 1996 high of 320 to 136 in 2004. Meanwhile, the Supreme Court has outlawed executions imposed on juveniles and the mentally retarded.
Pollster John Zogby presented results of a survey taken last November showing that support for capital punishment among Catholics was down to 48 percent, with 47 percent now opposed. In 2001, 68 percent of Catholics support the death penalty while 27 percent were opposed.
"Frequent attendees of Mass as well as young Catholics are less likely to support the death penalty. And those who attended Catholic colleges also are more opposed," Zogby said.
A follow-up survey this month also revealed that 29 percent of Catholics had once favored the death penalty but had changed their minds.
Among the population at large, other polls have found support for the death penalty running at around 60 percent. However, when respondents are offered a choice between execution or life imprisonment without parole, support drops below 45 percent.
As part of their campaign, the bishops will increase education efforts in parishes, schools and universities and step up advocacy in Congress and state legislatures. They will also continue to submit legal briefs in death penalty cases.
McCarrick said the Catholic campaign fit into the church's general ideology of respect for life. "We cannot teach that killing is wrong by killing," he said. "This campaign brings together our social justice and pro-life efforts."
nbcrusader said:I guess guilt/innocence plays no part in who we kill.......
nbcrusader said:Not quite - just a contrast to the threads supporting the choice to kill.....
nbcrusader said:I guess guilt/innocence plays no part in who we kill.......