Klaus
Refugee
Mongpoovian:
Hmm take a look at the European Kingdoms they all maried their relatives
Hmm take a look at the European Kingdoms they all maried their relatives
BonoVoxSupastar said:
Cain would have to sleep with his mother in order to get this world continuing, which I'm sure he didn't marry, then that child would have to sleep with his or her father, brother, sister, or gandparent. Please don't tell me you think this is the way God planned it.
Yes Noah's sons brought their wives, but all their children would have been 1st cousins. I still don't think this sits well.
Mongpoovian said:What does this have to do with evolution? Well, it posits a well-supported theory for the existence of the universe. It suggests that particles, and even entire universes can be created with no energy, no interference, and no divine hand.
Also, it's backed up by both experimental observation, quantum mechanics, and quite a bit of tricky mathematics.
Klaus said:And, please try to explain to me how something complex as an Eye can be created by sheer coincidence. It has to be there in a verry early stage of evolution since almost all living beings have 2 eyes. Also it is so complex (hard to believe that it was there verry early) that it is hard to imagine that all those mutations could have hapened and all the blind beings survived as the fittest on their way until they could use that eye after a few million years of evolution.
cujo said:It has been shown that radiant energy at certain intensity can induce several events at the molecular level... sparking base pair substitutions/replacements/deletions/insertions which can ultimately result in the formation of an altered genetic code... through spontaneous recombination etc.
anitram said:
So, that eye you're looking at now may seem like the end of the line to you, when in fact, it's just a piece of a continuous puzzle.
anitram said:Spontaneous recombination (whether homologous or not) is not necessarily dependent on any of those things. It is spontaneous particularly because it is stochastic, and oftentimes it depends on things like proximity of biologically active molecules to one another, as well as kinetics. That sort of "evolution" can occur on its own.
Then as you've said, you've got synthetic mutagens like radiation or carcinogens or anything that intercalates between the double strand that cause DNA damage. At this point, the DNA repair system kicks in, whether it be MMR, BER, NER, TcR, etc, there are many that play a role.
Interestingly enough, many diseases are now being re-examined, the thinking being that what was previously thought to be a result of transcriptional errors might be chalked up to faulty repair systems and vice versa. It's all actually really interesting.
cujo said:I would just like to say that I'm disappointed that no one has used the term fecundity at all.
anitram said:Are you trying to tell us you are v. fecund?
Originally posted by Klaus
Another interesting question is, if evolution works and homosexuality isn't a free choice, but you're born that way, how come that they survive?
Klaus said:cujo: that "backwards" work i'd call degeneration if i understood your text correctly
Klaus
80sU2isBest said:And here's something else. Today, one of my best friends had a baby. Teh baby was nursing from her and I learned something. Did you know that the mother doesn't automatically start producing milk after the birth? First, she produces a syrupy pre-milk stuff, which is exactly what the baby needs at that point. Then the mother's body produces real milk, and at that point the baby can take real milk. Now is that a coincidence? I don't think so. Now, how can intricacies like that be explained in a universe that just exploped into being, without creative force behind it?
Diemen said:To take the other side of your point, the two different types of nourishment a mother provides can be explained simply as survival of the fittest. The child that receives the best nourishment has the best chance of surviving and therefore breeding/propagating the species. So it would follow that the traits that help further the species would become more prominent and specialized. Natural selection, if you will.