nbcrusader
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Teta040 said:
It seems that promoting his agenda on the Court is more important to him personally, than saving lives.
Unfortunately, it is this type of speculation that we can now expect here.
Teta040 said:
It seems that promoting his agenda on the Court is more important to him personally, than saving lives.
U2Bama said:
But ignoring that, we blame Bush for the failures and choose to ignore the other agencies' shortfalls , because, well, it's FYM and it's more fun to do that.
~U2Alabama
nbcrusader said:
Unfortunately, it is this type of speculation that we can now expect here.
kellyahern said:
No one has said the other agencies aren't to blame. I don't think any of this is "fun" either.
Dreadsox said:
Sadly, the partisan board at FYM does not seem to care that there are SO MANY POPLE WHO FAILED the CITIZENS, they would prefer to blame Bush than look at the entire picture.
nbcrusader said:
Unfortunately, it is this type of speculation that we can now expect here.
kellyahern said:Why is it only speculation, chest thumping, and the blame game when people disagree? A lot of people are genuinely upset about this.
nbcrusader said:
Only? I guess that is just one of the FYM games we play. Take a comment to the extreme.
kellyahern said:
I'm not playing any games here. I never posted before this whole mess in FYM. This has really made me angry.
Even if they were not able to get 100,000 people out under those immediate conditions (understandable), what about their ability to send IN food, water, medical help and security?
This should have been put in place at the moment the decision to house thousands of people in the Superdome was made. A hurricane evacuation plan for hurricanes/flood should have been something that a city like NO should have been able to execute in their sleep
MadelynIris said:
I've heard that the FEDS basically had to FORCE the govenor and mayor to call for a mandatory evacuation on Saturday, and neither of them wanted to do it.
MadelynIris said:
I've heard that the FEDS basically had to FORCE the govenor and mayor to call for a mandatory evacuation on Saturday, and neither of them wanted to do it.
MadelynIris said:
I've heard that the FEDS basically had to FORCE the govenor and mayor to call for a mandatory evacuation on Saturday, and neither of them wanted to do it.
But this still doesn't have much to do with your original comments.
Mayor Ray Nagin's spokeswoman, Tanzie Jones, insisted that there was no reluctance at City Hall to open the Superdome as Ivan approached, but said the evacuation was the top priority.
"Our main focus is to get the people out of the city," she told the AP.
"We did the compassionate thing by opening the shelter," Nagin said. "We wanted to make sure we didn't have a repeat performance of what happened before. We didn't want to see people cooped up in the Superdome for days."
Noted the AP story: "When another dangerous hurricane, Georges, appeared headed for the city in 1998, the Superdome was opened as a shelter and an estimated 14,000 people poured in." But just as happened after Katrina, the AP reported there were problems, including theft and vandalism.
With Ivan approaching, far fewer took refuge from the storm - an estimated 1,100 - at the Superdome, and there was far greater security: 300 National Guardsmen.
Wrote the AP of the Ivan debacle: "The main safety measure - getting people out of town - raised its own problems. More than 1 million people tried to leave the city and surrounding suburbs on Tuesday, creating a traffic jam as bad as or worse than the evacuation that followed Georges. In the afternoon, state police took action, reversing inbound lanes on southeastern Louisiana interstates to provide more escape routes. Bottlenecks persisted, however.
"Col. Henry Whitehorn, head of state police, said he believed his agency acted appropriately, but also acknowledged he never expected a seven-hour-long crawl for the 60 miles between New Orleans and Baton Rouge.
"It was so bad that some broadcasters were telling people to stay home, that they had missed their window of opportunity to leave. They claimed the interstates had turned into parking lots where trapped people could die in a storm surge.
"Gov. Kathleen Blanco and [Mayor] Nagin both acknowledged the need to improve traffic flow and said state police should consider reversing highway lanes earlier. They also promised meetings with governments in neighboring localities and state transportation officials to improve evacuation plans.
But it appears that nothing had been changed by the time Katrina made its appearance in the Gulf.
After Ivan, Blanco and other state officials boasted that, while irritating, the clogged escape routes got people out of the most vulnerable areas.
"We were able to get people out," state Commissioner of Administration Jerry Luke LeBlanc said. "It was successful. There was frustration, yes. But we got people out of harm's way."
After Katrina struck, however, escape routes out of the city were clogged with bumper-to-bumper traffic, leaving some motorists on the road when the Hurricane arrived.
A new photo from AP shows a huge fleet of school buses lined up in a now flooded parking lot - what appears to be enough transportation sufficient to have evacuated many of those stranded in the city and left to endure unimaginable conditions - transportation that the mayor failed to use when there was still time to use it.
The lessons of Ivan were never learned, and the people of New Orleans paid the price.
MadelynIris said:I've heard that the FEDS basically had to FORCE the govenor and mayor to call for a mandatory evacuation on Saturday, and neither of them wanted to do it.
MadelynIris said:
Which comments?
Can someone explain to me how one rescues 100,000 people in rising water say, by Thursday? Within 48 hours of the levee breaking?
U2Bama said:Again, Dreadsox' point regarding the local control over the school bus fleet is that the City and/or State should have began utilizing them Friday, Saturday and Sunday, August 26-28, BEFORE the Hurricane hit.
But ignoring that, we blame Bush for the failures and choose to ignore the other agencies' shortfalls , because, well, it's FYM and it's more fun to do that.
~U2Alabama
kellyahern said:
No one has said the other agencies aren't to blame. I don't think any of this is "fun" either.
nbcrusader said:
Only? I guess that is just one of the FYM games we play. Take a comment to the extreme.
Upset or not, the hyperbole found in a number of threads does not add to the conversation.
I sincerely doubt many would want to live to the standards they create in their threads here in FYM.
phanan said:
The irony here is that you keep making the same comments over and over about others at FYM playing games and are not adding anything to the conversation, either.
I think most of us aren't playing games about this. Most of us are genuinely upset about what has happened.
MadelynIris said:I heard it on the news last night, and I'm trying to track down the source via the internet now.
In the mean time, I ran across this interesting op-ed.
http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/regan_preston200509061439.asp
elfyx said:
That's a pretty damning indictment of state and local government. There are many questions that will need to be answered, by a thorough investigation, and there is no doubt local government will be found guilty.
Unfortunately, however, the author somehow pretends that the Feds should be totally let off the hook for failing to respond appropriately. This is in spite of the fact that the state of Louisiana begged for help (after realizing how disdainfully unprepared they were no doubt) on Sunday August 28th. This is also in spite of the fact that the Department of Homeland Security claims responsibility for any and all natural disasters, which was actually declared.
This whole circling-of-wagons thing by democrats vs. republicans, local vs federal is a false dichotemy.
kellyahern said:
Well said.
It seems that local agencies failed in pre-storm preparation, and federal agencies failed in post-storm response. I realize that's an oversimplification, but it looks like the problem is shaping up to be something like that.
Irvine511 said:
no, the feds failed pre-storm as well. from the WaPo: