you should read this article I found yesterday researching.
Many illegal immigrants live in public housing - USATODAY.com
Would seem to contradict what you are saying.
Nothing contradicts what I am saying.
They are living there illegally, bottom line. "Many" does not constitute a majority or even close to one.
The article you link says itself that they only constitute half of 0.4% of non eligible citizens in public housing.
That to my simple mind says that the number is 0.2%. They're really taking up all those scarce housing units, aren't they?
Ok, so MA can not ask about immigration status, but they are still supposed to check ID's and verify residency and ties to the community they are applying for housing in.
Nothing about that 1977 decree or court decisions prevented the work of the Boston Housing Authority, if properly done, from denying her application or the application of any illegal immigrant.
They can deny any one with or without cause, mostly owing to backlogs in application, failure to meet eligibility, etc.
Most of these court issues with states enforcing immigration law break down along issues of federalism for these justices and not issues of "lets let the illegals stay in order to be politically correct."
For what its worth, the feds do immigration, and they do not like being stepped on here.
Yes, and what's the backlog on those? How many tens of thousands of warrants are issued for those not showing up for court dates. How many hundreds of thousands of those with expired work or student visas have we completely lost touch with? anyway, want to bet baracks auntie is still in the country as long as he's in the WH?
OK.
But does that mean they are here and receiving their benefits legally?
NO.
The backlog, the warrants not followed up on, all would have been addressed to a great extent in the immigration reform bill in 2006 that you falsely deride as "amnesty."
The fact that it is his "auntie" will not matter. Obama has not injected himself into this issue one bit, except to say "let the authorities handle it according to all relevant law." Oh, and he returned her campaign contribution.
And guess what?
That is exactly what they are doing. Her violation of the deportation order is non criminal, and these cases are handled outside of the court system in private hearings.
No special treatment has been given to her yet.
She is the half sister of Obama's father who left him when he was 2. Its not like he keeps close tabs on her life and can be held accountable for her behavior.
Didn't mention schools or prisons. And plenty of illegals are receiving benefits. Through bureaucratic inefficiency and through fraud like identity theft.
Illegals can not receive benefits like housing, health care and food stamps. That is the end of the discussion.
Point remains, what the judges had in mind were services similar to emergency room care and education.
No issue was taken with bans on health care and food stamps, as these are part of federal law.
Again, bureaucratic inefficiency and fraud does not mean that they are legally receiving benefits.
Liberals and Conservatives both agree, that should be cracked down on.
But Conservatives would be the first to bitch about taxes raised or money taken out of Iraq to hire more investigators.
Another funny thing- McCain-Kennedy did just that.
Because, if I had to read the minds of Dems I'd say:
1) They count on the courts throwing out the provision
Wow.
Tell me again where a court anywhere has even come close to throwing out denial of health care and food stamp benefits to illegal immigrants.
They most certainly did not write the health care bans, simply an extension of long time non controversial federal policy, thinking the courts would throw them out.
2) they get treatment anyway, continuing to overload emergency rooms and hospital budgets to which the Democratic answer will be... comprehensive immigration reform with amnesty a path to citizenship.
Illegal immigrants make up nowhere near a majority of the uncompensated emergency room care pool.
If anything, they fear the doctors and avoid them at all costs for fear of being turned in.
The increase in emergency room care is due to the health care crisis, not illegal immigrants. They are not the ones overloading emergency rooms.
You are a bad mind reader. "They get treatment anyway." First off, nowhere near the same level of treatment as a health care plan would provide, preventive, etc. Second,
why did the Democrats just spend 2 years and risk their entire hold on power passing a health care bill that will for the most part end reliance on emergency room care among the uninsured? Because they want illegals to be on it? See the lack of logic?
Comprehensive immigration reform is for the gazillionth time, not amnesty.
Amnesty means you get off free, you are forgiven, like you never sinned.
How is this amnesty?
-Pay a fine.
-Pay back taxes
-If you are a criminal(even ran a red light), get the f out of here.
-Get in line behind all the other legal people.
You are an ideologue pure and simple.
You can't see facts, and you seem to think that the Democrats are somehow scheming to get illegals all kinds of good deals at your expense.
That is just absurd.
No Democrat supports illegal immigration.
Comprehensive immigration reform, and I am sorry if you think its amnesty, was once upon a time a bipartisan idea. Say back in 2006, with George W Bush leading the way.
It is, for the gazillionth time again, not the preferred approach of anyone, only the most realistic after both parties have failed for many, many years to secure the borders in the 1st place.
It is a temporary measure to get people out of the shadows who are here already.
2 years after it goes into effect, all "fine and get in line" deals are off and you are getting deported.
Sorry you think the Democrats are calculating behind your back to help out the illegals, but its just not true.
The ultimate answer to all of this uncertainty is comprehensive immigration reform, Reagan got it, Bush got it, Crist gets it, McCain got it at one point, Lindsey Graham gets it, Marco Rubio gets it, the list goes on of non liberals who get it.
1.)Secure the border- much better funding and technology.
2.)Get the people who are illegal and here already out of the shadows and paying up for their past indiscretions, including living in public housing illegally without paying taxes to help support it.
3.)Make sure the entire deportation process is streamlined, efficient and effective. (1)done well will insure that this is easier as they wont have so many to keep up with. Ditto for the legal immigration and visa process and the tracking of expiration dates, etc.
4.)Fine the hell out of illegal employers.
These are the 4 main points of comprehensive immigration reform.
So tell me what is wrong with those as opposed to saying its "amnesty" and thats why its evil.
In other words, discuss like a person interested in the facts, not an ideologue.