Would you say Clinton genuinely earned her money by giving speeches to the toxic cesspool that is Goldman Sachs or by giving favorable state department contracts to people that donated to the Clinton fund?
I'm the outsider yelling about the flaws of everything.
There are clear and obvious flaws with out system. I wish there was a viable third party candidate, or even more than three viable candidates. It's clear that there are deep rifts in the parties themselves between the hardcore conservatives and liberals and the more moderate candidates of the parties (and whatever Trump is). It's time to blow it up and rethink everything about how we nominate and elect a president.
That said, it's too important to have a rift over the election and nomination process now. The stakes are too high. Trump is an unmitigated disaster. He can not be allowed to win.
After November, then we can get back to fixing this. There's too much at stake now.
I think the majority of Americans would like to see a 3, maybe 4 party system. But maybe people here can help me to think about what it means for actual governing.
How would it work going into DC and working with Senate and Congress. Right now, nothing gets done with having around 50% support. Imagine going in with 33% or 25% support...
I think this is the biggest obstacle for a viable third or fourth party. Am I wrong? missing something?
Would you say Clinton genuinely earned her money by giving speeches to the toxic cesspool that is Goldman Sachs or by giving favorable state department contracts to people that donated to the Clinton fund?
Compromise. It's not a dirty word.
Yes, with a multi-party system not one party will (likely) have an absolute majority. So they can't get anything done on their own with less than 50% support. So you'll have to ask for support from one of the other parties. They might support your proposal right away, maybe they request changes to the proposal to have it acceptable to them. And maybe they ask you also support some of their proposals.
(Multi-party) Politics 101.
Hillary is the most recognized and admired woman in the world for 25 years. A leader of women's/human rights, first lady of Arkansas, First lady of US, 2 term senator of NY, presidential candidate, and Sec. of State.
Bernie supporters don't even want to vote for a liberal for president.
I would imagine a fairly large portion of Sanders supporters aren't really liberals, so that's hardly controversial.
I think this is the fundamental BS that gets peddled and just gobbled up by people that don't stop and think about it in context.
Hillary is the most recognized and admired woman in the world for 25 years.
I'm sorry, are you defending the Clinton Foundation and acting like it's RWNJ who are the only ones who take issue with it?please don't state unfounded accusations about the Clinton foundation as fact. Again, fox style BS
I think the majority of Americans would like to see a 3, maybe 4 party system. But maybe people here can help me to think about what it means for actual governing.
How would it work going into DC and working with Senate and Congress. Right now, nothing gets done with having around 50% support. Imagine going in with 33% or 25% support...
I think this is the biggest obstacle for a viable third or fourth party. Am I wrong? missing something?
I would love to have more choices. But I do feel like after a couple cycles people would say the same thing. 350 million Americans and we can only find these 3 losers!!! We will never be happy every time.
I actually don't really like Hillary (love Bill tho).
What gets me behind her is the absolute hatred thrown her way, and now it's coming from a side that she's on.
Obama took his lumps from the Right. I'm wondering if Obama was going up against Bernie, if his followers would go the Birther route, or Muslim, etc
Does Hillary take this abuse because she's a woman? I have never seen a candidate take so much shit from both sides.
Some of the concerns are warranted. She seems a bit Hawkish (no more than Obama), and she does have ties to the corporate world that makes you believe regulation will be limited.
It feels like since Dubya, we want to elect people based on can we be friends with them. Hillary may be a bitch, but she knows policy.
I just don't see the system crashing down under her. I see more incremental progress (especially with center to left justices) which will open the door towards the kind of progressive policies we want. It just takes time
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I'm sorry, are you defending the Clinton Foundation and acting like it's RWNJ who are the only ones who take issue with it?
25 years?
Come on.
She wasn't the most admired woman in the world in 1991, or 1997 or anything like that.
So what i get from this answer is that it would most likely lead to more compromise. Which you're right, is not always a bad thing. This is funny, because the people beating their chest for more parties, are the ones that are also beating their chest about NO compromise.
So what you're saying is she's the female Bono. Adored and despised at the same timeActually she was.
From Gallup:
Clinton Named Most Admired More Than Any Other Woman or Man
Clinton has been the most admired woman each of the last 14 years, and 20 times overall, occupying the top spot far longer than any other woman or man in Gallup's history of asking the most admired question. Since 1993, the year she was first named most admired woman, Clinton has stayed in the news as first lady, U.S. senator, secretary of state and a two-time presidential candidate.
Actually she was.
From Gallup:
Clinton Named Most Admired More Than Any Other Woman or Man
Clinton has been the most admired woman each of the last 14 years, and 20 times overall, occupying the top spot far longer than any other woman or man in Gallup's history of asking the most admired question. Since 1993, the year she was first named most admired woman, Clinton has stayed in the news as first lady, U.S. senator, secretary of state and a two-time presidential candidate.
And this was a world wide poll as you claim? Or is it just a US poll? Kind of a bit of a difference.
No, i completely expect it from RWNJ's. But for fellow liberals to use the - throw any shit at the wall and see what sticks, tactic toward Clinton is quite disappointing. I'm saying that this random, throw out an insinuation about the clinton foundation, and let the rumors swirl thing, is just stupid.
So what you're saying is she's the female Bono. Adored and despised at the same time
Sanders is? Radiohead?
Intriguing at first but then gets so far up his own ass that nobody gives a shit anymore, unless you do, in which case you REEEEEALLY give a shit?Amazing. For weeks, I've been thinking of posting about this. Clinton is very much the U2 of politics. Once more edgy, but always popular. Cares way too much about what people think and would be much better served to just relax and be herself.
And yes, loved by one group. Considered blah by another group of people, and hated by the rest.
Sanders is? Radiohead?