Global Pandemic Part III: A typical Spring, Just Ask China

[monkeyskin]

Whilst Clinton would undoubtedly done a better job handling the pandemic, most likely starting with the Obama teams playbook, how much better would the US really be doing right now?

Like, would DeSantis and Kemp have gone into and stayed into an adequate lockdown? Would the people of Michigan still be storming the Capitol building with nooses and no masks? Strong leadership only gets you so far if the people actually follow you, not to mention that the federal model of government adds many independent, highly partisan middle managers into the mix.

 

[iron yuppie]

Whilst Clinton would undoubtedly done a better job handling the pandemic, most likely starting with the Obama teams playbook, how much better would the US really be doing right now?

Like, would DeSantis and Kemp have gone into and stayed into an adequate lockdown? Would the people of Michigan still be storming the Capitol building with nooses and no masks? Strong leadership only gets you so far if the people actually follow you, not to mention that the federal model of government adds many independent, highly partisan middle managers into the mix.

I have wondered this too. She would have set an infinitely more responsible national tone, but people in red states likely still would have been fucked. This pandemic has dragged the weaknesses of the US brand of federalism completely into the open.

 

[Headache in a Suitcase]

I think the initial shutdown and everything obviously still would have happened - and sure, many red state governors may have also been the same douchebag they are now.

There also would have been republican presidential primary season - which considering the state the GOP would have been in had they lost in 2016? Who the hell knows what that would have brought.

We'd also probably be in the middle of the 5th Benghazi impeachment hearing (and probably some sort of hearing around Epstein and Bill Clinton's relationship ) . Alas...

What would have been different?

The pandemic response team never would have been abandoned.

Our PPE shortages would either have been non existent and/or less severe.

Even in the event of a PPE shortage you'd assume that a national strategy would have made the procurement and distribution of this equipment much much smoother.

A national strategy would put more pressure on those red governors to fall in line. Desantis? Kemp? Ahh who knows, but they wouldn't feel like they had to please the dear leader so I have to imagine that the response would have been better.

Global cooperation would be significantly better.

We wouldn't be in the middle of causing a future global malaria outbreak by stockpiling malaria medication.

We wouldn't have had the official message from the leader of our nation be that this was a hoax, or that you should inject bleach, or that masks weren't necessary, or that this was all going to go away in April...

Our second wave... or rather continued first wave after temporarily plateauing... likely wouldn't be as severe. We'd be closer to Europe - maybe not as good because of the nature of our country. But yea - it would be better.


Side note... Future Edge from the Vertigo tour who kept saying the future was better? He was full of shit.

 

[Headache in a Suitcase]

In opening remarks at a hearing before the House Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Crisis, Anthony S. Fauci, the federal government’s top infectious-disease specialist, again said he was “cautiously optimistic” that a safe and effective vaccine is possible this year.

“We hope that as the time we get into the late fall and early winter we will have, in fact, a vaccine that we can say would be safe and effective,” the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases said. “One can never guarantee the safety or effectiveness unless you do the trial, but we are cautiously optimistic.”

The Phase 3 trial just launched for a vaccine candidate being developed by biotech company Moderna in collaboration with the National Institutes of Health. Fauci said that as of Thursday night, 250,000 people have volunteered to take part in the clinical trials.

Under questioning, Fauci said no corners were being cut in developing the vaccine at this speed and that a goal of early next year is “realistic.”

To some people, he said, “it seems like it is so fast that there might be compromising of safety and efficacy — that is absolutely not the case.”

Scientists were able to move quickly compared to past vaccine development, he said, because “of very different technology” and because of the way the human body responds to this virus.

 

[BEAL]

I don’t doubt the doctors (non demon sperm ones)

I doubt that an effective rollout can happen under Trump. I worry about useless samples because they weren’t shipped correctly. I worry that he’ll withhold from blue states or try to find a way to make $$ off it.

This is mind blowing below


https://twitter.com/justinjm1/status/1286264508957233152?s=21


https://twitter.com/justinjm1/status/1289194331211890688?s=21

Just in time for school!!

 

[BEAL]

https://twitter.com/amymaxmen/status/1289241881537392640?s=21

https://twitter.com/amymaxmen/status/1289241882388652032?s=21

 

[LuckyNumber7]

Wait so you’re telling me that the kid can get the coronavirus from an adult and an adult can catch it from a kid???

Unbelievable.

 

[BEAL]

Betsy Devos says you can’t. They’re basically immune to this thing

We need to send our kids back to work

 

[BEAL]

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1289633359681839105?s=21

Nothing can improve until this man and his government is kicked out

 

[Irvine511]

The only thing he is right about flare ups all over. It’s very worrisome.

 

[cobl04]

Melbourne is now in stage 4 restrictions. We hit as many as 723 daily new cases.

You can only leave the house to do grocery shopping, and only one person may do this per day.
You can exercise, but only within 5km of your home, and only for an hour. No other recreational activity allowed.
Restrictions in place until at least 13 September.

Really, really tough time.

 

[LuckyNumber7]

Oh just wait, people will violate everything you just said.

And it’s not because they are right wing or left wing, it’s because people are selfish. The western world is too free for this.

 

[monkeyskin]

I don’t know why people blatantly breaking the rules don’t get chucked into a quarantine hotel and forced to pay the $3k bill. It’ll help pay 3 people’s JobKeeper benefits for a week and curb the spread.

 

[anitram]

When we reopened here, the wait to get into the IKEA that’s about 10 mins from my house was 3-4 hrs a day. Who the hell needs to go to IKEA that badly?

 

[Diemen]

When we reopened here, the wait to get into the IKEA that’s about 10 mins from my house was 3-4 hrs a day. Who the hell needs to go to IKEA that badly?

Those Swedish meatballs won’t eat themselves.

 

[Headache in a Suitcase]

They should at least give the people some tools and let them put a few Flütags together while they wait

 

[BEAL]

If you go between 11-2pm to Trader Joe’s, you’ve got at least a 45-60 min wait in line to get inside. Whole Foods is the same.

Makes me think that companies will really invest in delivery, and more so automation immediately

If an effective vaccine isn’t produced i don’t see how you can run business with people together. It’ll be remote (which i love) and machines doing the work.

 

[Headache in a Suitcase]

If there isn't an effective vaccine we're all fucked

 

[BEAL]

If you go between 11-2pm to Trader Joe’s, you’ve got at least a 45-60 min wait in line to get inside. Whole Foods is the same.

Makes me think that companies will really invest in delivery, and more so automation immediately

If an effective vaccine isn’t produced i don’t see how you can run business with people together. It’ll be remote (which i love) and machines doing the work.

 

[Hewson]

If you go between 11-2pm to Trader Joe’s, you’ve got at least a 45-60 min wait in line to get inside. Whole Foods is the same.

Makes me think that companies will really invest in delivery, and more so automation immediately

If an effective vaccine isn’t produced i don’t see how you can run business with people together. It’ll be remote (which i love) and machines doing the work.

You don't say.

 

[iron yuppie]

This has been terrible, no doubt. But I have a hard time seeing covid as the thing that brings down human civilization.

 

[Headache in a Suitcase]

I get home people can be pessimistic but unless everyone is just simply lying there is no reason not to expect a vaccine or some sort in late fall / winter.

Not complete eradication, but something that can bring this thing down to the point where it actually is "the flu" as opposed to the pipedream of gzus freaks everywhere ( #OrdinarySpring[emoji769]).

My money is on the far right wing nationalist resurgence that will inevitably follow a few years of feel good post COVID euphoria as the thing that kills us all.

 

[BEAL]

In reference to the Aussie response vs US


https://twitter.com/somuchweirdness/status/1289933581796569088?s=21

https://twitter.com/somuchweirdness/status/1289933583595925511?s=21


https://twitter.com/somuchweirdness/status/1289933584862568449?s=21


https://twitter.com/somuchweirdness/status/1289933585978257416?s=21


https://twitter.com/somuchweirdness/status/1289936598386085888?s=21

 

[BEAL]

I get home people can be pessimistic but unless everyone is just simply lying there is no reason not to expect a vaccine or some sort in late fall / winter.

Not complete eradication, but something that can bring this thing down to the point where it actually is "the flu" as opposed to the pipedream of gzus freaks everywhere ( #OrdinarySpring[emoji769]).

My money is on the far right wing nationalist resurgence that will inevitably follow a few years of feel good post COVID euphoria as the thing that kills us all.

I guess I’m more on the pessimistic side because these doctors are making guesses without seeing the data.

Phase 1 & 2 tell us nothing about the effectiveness of the vaccine. Just that it produced the antibodies and for the moment is safe.

Yes the science is better than the past. So’s the technology. But Phase 3 is where it’s actually proven to work and i feel uneasy with them just guessing. Fauci is a brilliant man but this whole time i feel like he’s walking a tightrope. He gives us answers but he’s always trying to keep the Orange one happy.

I believe fauci feels he can help the country more if he stays within the Trump admin. On the other hand his expertise has basically been ignored and we are where we are because Trump and GOP hate science (and liberals)

 

[Irvine511]

In 1984, HIV was identified as the cause of AIDS. U.S. HHS Secretary Margaret Heckler declared that an AIDS vaccine will be ready for testing within two years.

And here we are.

It took until 1996 for the drugs to give most of those with HIV a relatively normal life.

Truvada (an HIV medication that can be taken as a highly effective prophylactic) wasn’t approved for general use until 2012.

There’s still no HIV vaccine.

 

[Hewson]

In 1984, HIV was identified as the cause of AIDS. U.S. HHS Secretary Margaret Heckler declared that an AIDS vaccine will be ready for testing within two years.

And here we are.

It took until 1996 for the drugs to give most of those with HIV a relatively normal life.

Truvada (an HIV medication that can be taken as a highly effective prophylactic) wasn’t approved for general use until 2012.

There’s still no HIV vaccine.

I think (hope) the key difference is that Covid-19 is from a family of viruses that we are already familiar with unlike HIV.

 

[BEAL]

All we can do is wait a couple of months for the data.

And i hope we get to see all the data. Nothing hidden. It’s too important to play games / politics

If anything is nefarious then it could really damage health across the world regarding any vaccine. We’re already seeing diseases we thought were gone (measles, mumps, ) because of Karens

Screw up covid19 vaccine and people won’t take anything

 

[anitram]

I do think that we'll get an effective vaccine.

To me the major issues are (i) timing and (ii) expectations. Regarding the second, when you watch the news you almost get the sense that people think that one day a vaccine will arrive and a button will be switched and we all go back to our regular lives. In reality it will take MANY MONTHS of continued physical distancing and other measures before most people get anywhere near to a vaccine being administered to them.

 

[LuckyNumber7]

I do think that we'll get an effective vaccine.

To me the major issues are (i) timing and (ii) expectations. Regarding the second, when you watch the news you almost get the sense that people think that one day a vaccine will arrive and a button will be switched and we all go back to our regular lives. In reality it will take MANY MONTHS of continued physical distancing and other measures before most people get anywhere near to a vaccine being administered to them.

Be realistic. There’s a reality of what you’re saying, and an actuality of what will happen.

People are too selfish. It’s a cure-all vaccine ~until it’s not~. People will get their vaccine and disobey whatever edict was put out there to stay at home because some woke Twitter post of a study suggested it’s possible to send your kids back to school with minimized risk to society.

Sorry, what was that [emoji14]

 

[BEAL]

Imagine where we could be had Gore not been beaten by hanging chads....

Florida has and continues to ruin the world