Flying FuManchu
New Yorker
All of you guys freaking out over Bono using the word "girly" need to man up.
Lol
All of you guys freaking out over Bono using the word "girly" need to man up.
#1 'Hot' 100 song right now is:
<insert clip of Perfect by Ed Sheeran here>
I think think Bono could have been more specific or choice of better words, but I think this is kind of what he met. Right now Rock n Roll is dead in the mainstream. Evidence is above...
#1 'Hot' 100 song right now is:
I think think Bono could have been more specific or choice of better words, but I think this is kind of what he met. Right now Rock n Roll is dead in the mainstream. Evidence is above...
oh for heaven's sake - so many of you on this board are hysterical in the non-funny sense of that word. and it is tone-deaf, not time-deaf but I'll assume that's your auto-correct.
read the paragraph again, in context, with the overall question about the state of rock music today. girly doesn't refer to girls making rock music (ffs) it refers to rock music that is no longer guitar driven and powerful in its expression of young idealistic anger, or frustration, or passion on issues. Current rock music is girly compared to The Who, or Pearl Jam's 'Ten' or Rage Against The Machine or, yes, even Patti Smith. Bono thinks he hears that sort of passion in hip hop, but not in rock and is therefore looking for the next rock revolution. He most certainly isn't saying girl bands suck.
as for the shit-show you predict .. what? you mean on Twitter? spare me.
I can’t believe the “girly” comment even made any news. Is that how sensitive our society is today?
I mean, it could have been much worse. Shit like this makes me glad I’m not famous. I consider myself a kind person but I tend to be a bit loose lipped. I’d be crucified.
This is honestly a very disappointing comment in an interview that also has a lot of good stuff in it. I get that he didn't mean any harm, and I highly doubt that Bono really has issues women making music or whatever the worst-case-scenario meaning of the comment could be. At the same time, the language is the sort of casual sexism that bothers me when others participate, and so I feel obligated to not just excuse it away because it's from my celebrity hero who is otherwise generally a good feminist.
I do particularly appreciate Bono's balanced comments on the writings of Paul and David - which, funnily enough, include a jab at Paul's attitude towards women.
It doesn't matter what Bono intended. It's reinforcing a stereotype, and using "girly" as a pejorative.
What's so hard to understand about that?
And again, if you're not a woman, please abstain from telling people not to get so worked up. That's not your call.
The fact that so many people here don't see what's wrong with the choice of words is proof of how far we need to go in terms of understanding systematic inequality and why women are made to feel inadequate in various cultures and societies, or that the variety of their perspectives and means of expression is often curtailed, questioned, and belittled.
How many more posts before you call me a cuck and accuse me of virtue signaling?
I don't know how it's a stretch that so many girls and women have been told directly or indirectly over their lives that they can't do certain things. Or that women and girls are somehow inherently weak. That's what using the term "girly" in that way reinforces. But hey, I'm glad YOU'RE ok with it.
Vice just picked this one up, so it's not going away. They have over 7 million followers on FB that might be seeing this article in their feed as I just did.
https://noisey.vice.com/en_us/article/43q37n/big-dumb-bono-says-that-music-has-become-very-girly
Yeah, if only women were more rational.
My own perspective - which I realize means nothing to no one - is that the "girly" comment stuck me as a bit odd when I read it. Not because it was offensive to me in any way nor did I feel that it was meant in any way to be offensive, it just seemed odd because I already know the hyper sensitive culture we live in where people are offended so easily. It wasn't the world I grew up in, and Bono is a good 10 years older than me, so it wasn't the world he grew up in either. Oh well. If that is the one comment that people take from an otherwise decent interview and it blows up, okay, oh well, etc. At least the people will be talking....I guess?
Moving on, the "health scare" thing for Bono came up quite a bit, even though he refuses to talk about what it was or is. I wonder if it's a good idea to even have mentioned it if you are not going to talk about? I mean, on one hand, it's a rather personal thing for him that he does not have to talk about to anyone ever, nor should he. On the other hand, he won't shut up about it, he tells everyone apparently about his "near death experience", even sings about it, and then when people ask him what it was, he basically tells them rather politely it's nobody's business. Am I the only one who finds this odd?
That said, I think the music is better for it, and I do wish they would have talked more about the music and less about other annoying subjects (America is an idea, etc.). Not one mention (that i recall) of the greatest song they have recorded since the 90's...'the little things that give you away'? That should have people up in arms if you ask me. But you didn't, I suppose.
I did really like the part about the Psalms of David too, very cool stuff, which might be uncool of me to mention, not that I care of course.
Shockingly, the usual suspects who believe they know everything and only process new information through that lens are having a tough time responding to this properly.
It's a stupid thing to say. I think the most charitable interpretation is that he's mixing up a few different concepts in one incoherent response (his whole hip hop is about fathers, rock is about mothers thing, combined with his dislike of some modern rock, combined with his whole "I sing girly like Joey Ramone" thing), but it's a shite thing to say, and it's also shite journalism for him not to get pressed further on that statement.
It doesn't matter what Bono intended. It's reinforcing a stereotype, and using "girly" as a pejorative.
What's so hard to understand about that?
And again, if you're not a woman, please abstain from telling people not to get so worked up. That's not your call.
The fact that so many people here don't see what's wrong with the choice of words is proof of how far we need to go in terms of understanding systematic inequality and why women are made to feel inadequate in various cultures and societies, or that the variety of their perspectives and means of expression is often curtailed, questioned, and belittled.
yep, plus the music industry can be incredibly difficult for women... my daughter is a really bad-ass metal bassist, has spent the past few years being the only girl in her two bands, she has really had to fight to prove herself and hold her own, and has lost count of the amount of times she's turned up to soundcheck for the sound engineers to assume she's the singer (cos she's beautiful and a girl, and god forbid she should play a "boy's instrument"), oh and they always try to turn her bass down whereas her special sound is LOUD AND DIRTY! practically every rock/metal event she's played at, she has been the ONLY GIRL out of all the bands there, apart from one time where there was a female drummer in another metal band, and latest comment, by a bassist from another band, that she's "a really good bassist FOR A GIRL"
thank f*ck she is in a band right now that reaaaally appreciates her and acknowledges how difficult it is to be a girl in the macho rock/metal sector, and they LOVE having a girl bassist, and think it's actually pretty cool and pretty fucking contemporary and bad-ass - i am so fucking proud of her for not giving up and really going for it... also, she does not flaunt herself like some cliched "metal chicks" do - the culture in rock/metal can be horrible re. females, but she just focuses on making great cutting edge music (she plays her bass like a guitar, 4-string, 5-string, and sometimes 6-string bass as well, and has now just started teaching herself double bass for the hell of it) and is happy and comfortable in her jeans and baggy tees, it's the music that counts and she is GOOD - i am a really fucking proud mum, so it irks me personally to hear the perjorative girlie comment, when my girl is busting her ass to tear down the stereotypes in music and faces all kinds of macho prejudices in her day to day (thankfully only from the assholes though - most of the lads are lovely - but it only takes one asshole to spoil your day)
yep, plus the music industry can be incredibly difficult for women... my daughter is a really bad-ass metal bassist, has spent the past few years being the only girl in her two bands, she has really had to fight to prove herself and hold her own, and has lost count of the amount of times she's turned up to soundcheck for the sound engineers to assume she's the singer (cos she's beautiful and a girl, and god forbid she should play a "boy's instrument"), oh and they always try to turn her bass down whereas her special sound is LOUD AND DIRTY! practically every rock/metal event she's played at, she has been the ONLY GIRL out of all the bands there, apart from one time where there was a female drummer in another metal band, and latest comment, by a bassist from another band, that she's "a really good bassist FOR A GIRL"
thank f*ck she is in a band right now that reaaaally appreciates her and acknowledges how difficult it is to be a girl in the macho rock/metal sector, and they LOVE having a girl bassist, and think it's actually pretty cool and pretty fucking contemporary and bad-ass - i am so fucking proud of her for not giving up and really going for it... also, she does not flaunt herself like some cliched "metal chicks" do - the culture in rock/metal can be horrible re. females, but she just focuses on making great cutting edge music (she plays her bass like a guitar, 4-string, 5-string, and sometimes 6-string bass as well, and has now just started teaching herself double bass for the hell of it) and is happy and comfortable in her jeans and baggy tees, it's the music that counts and she is GOOD - i am a really fucking proud mum, so it irks me personally to hear the perjorative girlie comment, when my girl is busting her ass to tear down the stereotypes in music and faces all kinds of macho prejudices in her day to day (thankfully only from the assholes though - most of the lads are lovely - but it only takes one asshole to spoil your day)
Thank heavens for daughters such as yours. More power to her!
That's great to hear.
(...waits for Haywa's response...)
I've said regrettable things in my life, but I think anyone who has known me for a while would tell you that I make a concerted effort to learn and put new information to good use. I'm certainly a different person today than I was when I first joined this forum.I sure hope you don't live in a glass house.
This is fucking silly. We can worry about more than one thing at once, and the media has a great deal of influence in setting and defining cultural norms. I'm not saying Bono needs to be put on a cross; I am saying it would be a good outcome if he has to reckon with this statement and admit he was wrong.Then hopefully someone will remember that Trump is still President, North Korea still has nuclear missiles and the world has other, real things to worry about.
This is fucking silly. We can worry about more than one thing at once, and the media has a great deal of influence in setting and defining cultural norms. I'm not saying Bono needs to be put on a cross; I am saying it would be a good outcome if he has to reckon with this statement and admit he was wrong.
Well I suppose we can worry about all the things we wish. But why should I add something stupid like this to my list?
Anyway, don't worry, you'll get your wish. He'll be made to apologise, as I said the social media mob will see to that. If nothing else, it's a blunt instrument. And he'll do it in brilliant, self-effacing Bono fashion that will be suitably charming. Then we can all move on to the next outrage.
BTW, I'm surprised this RS interview got so much traction, given he also used the "girly' thing several times, I think, during the Stern interview. He's also said stuff like "hit like a girl" many times throughout the year. None of this is anything new. Which frankly all of you should know.