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Except plans for a tour don't really begin until the album is near completion...360 is old news, enough for a smaller/arena this year, had the album been finished. No album = no tour.

2013 is right on schedule given their releases in the 00's.

This isn't necessarily true, I'd say it's likely to be this time but it definitely wasn't true of 360, they started working on that almost as soon as Vertigo was finished. Hence why it was a complete misfit for the album it was ostensibly staged for.
 
This isn't necessarily true, I'd say it's likely to be this time but it definitely wasn't true of 360, they started working on that almost as soon as Vertigo was finished. Hence why it was a complete misfit for the album it was ostensibly staged for.

The very eary talks started , ie "we want to play stadiums in the round" idea was first pitched to Willie Williams right after the Hawaii show.
But it was a long was from that till the final stages of the tour planning, and indeed, NLOTH itself. 360 is the exception to the rule.

The main issue is audiences just didn't care much for NLOTH live. I thought it was a good tour that arguably overshadowed the album it was promoting (like most U2 tours for the last 20 years, with the possible exception of Zoo TV).
 
The 360 tour was great. Even if it became a greatest hits tour. I say - so fucking what? Their older shit is better anyway. That's not a crime. Happens to every band that has ever existed. If they made an undeniably great new album in 2009 that was supported by a tour that tanked...we'd have a different conversation.
 
The very eary talks started , ie "we want to play stadiums in the round" idea was first pitched to Willie Williams right after the Hawaii show.
But it was a long was from that till the final stages of the tour planning, and indeed, NLOTH itself. 360 is the exception to the rule.

The main issue is audiences just didn't care much for NLOTH live. I thought it was a good tour that arguably overshadowed the album it was promoting (like most U2 tours for the last 20 years, with the possible exception of Zoo TV).

The planning of the logistics of the tour started long before the album was released. You don't put together that type of tour without years of planning.

The final confirming of dates doesn't occur until closer to the release date, but you don't get holds on stadiums for 5-6 days at a time without discussing it with the stadium operators many months in advance.

I'd almost guarantee they have already had preliminary discussions about potential dates and venue availability for next year, just in case they finish and decide on a spring release. If it doesn't work out, they give up the holds and work to reschedule.

If those discussions haven't taken place, then there's no chance in hell we're getting an album before late 2013 at the earliest.


A side note on that... If perchance they do tour next summer and go back to arenas, they'll have to play the Barclay's Center in Brooklyn and skip MSG, as it'll be closed next summer for renovations.
 
The audience didn't take to NLOTH as much because it was an album without radio love being played to stadium audiences, filling stadiums to capacity require casual fans en masse. Fans that probably stopped paying attention in 1992.

My point was that with the exception of the unfortunate pandering middle 3 tracks, NLOTH was not an album that was made to be promoted in a stadium, but the return to stadiums was already set in their minds.
 
The audience didn't take to NLOTH as much because it was an album without radio love being played to stadium audiences, filling stadiums to capacity require casual fans en masse. Fans that probably stopped paying attention in 1992.

My point was that with the exception of the unfortunate pandering middle 3 tracks, NLOTH was not an album that was made to be promoted in a stadium, but the return to stadiums was already set in their minds.

1- strong agreement on this. Can't remember whether our brief ( ?1 1/2 yrs+) new cool commercial station (went to satilite in ?'11 :( )
played -one of their ads was "Classic, New, DIY" may have played it.

2- In 1992: on hearing AB?

3- oh, have to diagree here... I loved NLOTH with The Claw/Screen! I was in front GA on Outer Rail, and then 3/4's way back plus about 8 rows down from the very top at the old GS in 09 (practically where I sat for my 1 <only for lack of $> ZOO-TV show). Both were fantastic experiences! Since the GA was my first (not for lack of trying), so it was the better; but The Claw & Screen were incredible from the eagle's nest!

While "Breathe" was not as loud/encopmassing as it should have been for way up there, maybe by a verse in for "Magnificent" the sound was adjusted and then Voooooomph :love: it was there! And stayed that way.

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U2DM: NLOTH is a superb album.
 
The audience didn't take to NLOTH as much because it was an album without radio love being played to stadium audiences, filling stadiums to capacity require casual fans en masse. Fans that probably stopped paying attention in 1992.

My point was that with the exception of the unfortunate pandering middle 3 tracks, NLOTH was not an album that was made to be promoted in a stadium, but the return to stadiums was already set in their minds.

Audiences sure had no issues with the sold out opening legs with plenty of NLOTH...

It's U2. They don't need a "radio album" or pandering songs to sell out venues.
NLOTH, Magnificent, the Crazy remix and MOS worked very well.
 
The planning of the logistics of the tour started long before the album was released. You don't put together that type of tour without years of planning.

The final confirming of dates doesn't occur until closer to the release date, but you don't get holds on stadiums for 5-6 days at a time without discussing it with the stadium operators many months in advance.

I'd almost guarantee they have already had preliminary discussions about potential dates and venue availability for next year, just in case they finish and decide on a spring release. If it doesn't work out, they give up the holds and work to reschedule.

If those discussions haven't taken place, then there's no chance in hell we're getting an album before late 2013 at the earliest.


A side note on that... If perchance they do tour next summer and go back to arenas, they'll have to play the Barclay's Center in Brooklyn and skip MSG, as it'll be closed next summer for renovations.

It takes a while, yes.

Spring 2013, with this much quiet and current news about Spiderman ? And they're already talking about venues and dates ?
 
It takes a while, yes.

Spring 2013, with this much quiet and current news about Spiderman ? And they're already talking about venues and dates ?

Did you even read what I said?

I said that if they're really currently recording with any plans of releasing an album at some point in 2013, then yes... preliminary talks have probably taken place with certain venues.

If those talks haven't happened yet, then they're not touring at all until 2014.

So I believe those talks have taken place? It wouldn't shock me, but no... Cause I don't believe they will release anything until late fall 2013 at the earliest, with no tour until spring 2014.
 
FWIW I asked Neil McCormack over twitter about why things are taking so long (why not?)

His reply: "They're taking their time making a masterpiece, of course."

there's an iota of new album news for y'all
 
Audiences sure had no issues with the sold out opening legs with plenty of NLOTH...

It's U2. They don't need a "radio album" or pandering songs to sell out venues.
NLOTH, Magnificent, the Crazy remix and MOS worked very well.

Did you go to the opening legs? The crowd outside of the GA was practically dead for much of the NLOTH material, & beautiful as it is MOS was never the right choice to end a stadium show with.
 
FWIW I asked Neil McCormack over twitter about why things are taking so long (why not?)

His reply: "They're taking their time making a masterpiece, of course."

there's an iota of new album news for y'all

He's clearly the most unbiased source in this case, right?
 
Did you go to the opening legs? The crowd outside of the GA was practically dead for much of the NLOTH material, & beautiful as it is MOS was never the right choice to end a stadium show with.

Did you go to any non American shows? The European crowd was WILD for the NLOTH material, wherever you went.

Get the audio bootleg of Amsterdam 2. You'll be deafened by the amount of people singing along to NLOTH.
 
How much would he actually know regarding the state of the new album? Especially if it's kept under wraps like this.
 
Did you go to the opening legs? The crowd outside of the GA was practically dead for much of the NLOTH material, & beautiful as it is MOS was never the right choice to end a stadium show with.

Yes. The one NLOTH song that really didn't work live imo was Unknown caller (well...and opening with NLOTH instead of Breathe would have been a better move).
 
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Yes. The one NLOTH song that really didn't work live imo was Unknown caller (well...and opening with NLOTH instead of Breathe would have been a better move).

Unknown caller worked well imo. IT was a massive sing-a-long in The Netherlands. On the download bonus from u22 it sounds fantastic too.
 
It could have, though. The snippet from the Lanois documentary sounded better than the finished product. Not enough lift in the chorus.
 
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