Will they sell out stadiums in the USA?
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Rob33
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Yeah, I'm fairly certain that there are a decent amount of people here, considering this is a place for U2 fans, who wouldn't mind seeing U2 fail on other levels too...pretty weird
OK . . . ?
"Studying U2's touring history" is not something I would want to advertise.
Of course you don't...because you clearly don't have a clue how to judge U2's concert demand. But hey, if you do, then post your predicted schedule...
Btw, the ONLY thing you're right about is the capacity of FedEx Field being over 90,000 and not 75,000 - which I swore it was when I looked it up online.
Ok, two more final revisions...
City/Venue/Capacity/Tickets Sold/Gross/Average Ticket Price
September
12, 13 Chicago - Soldier Field (2 shows...120,000/Sold Out/$11.5 million /$96)
16, 17 Toronto - Rogers Centre (2 shows...140,000/Sold Out/$13 million/$93)
20, 21 Foxboro, MA (Boston) - Gillette Stadium (2 shows...140,000/Sold Out/$11.5 million /$82)
24, 25, 27 E. Rutherford, NJ (NYC metro area) - Giants Stadium (3 shows...240,000/Sold Out/$19.5 million /$81)
29 Washington, DC - FedEx Field (92,000/Sold Out/$6.5 million/$71)
October
1 Charlottesville, VA - Scott Stadium (62,000/31,000/$2 million/$65)
3 Raleigh - Carter Finley Stadium (57,000/31,000/$2 million/$65)
6 Atlanta - Georgia Dome (67,000/Sold Out/$4.5 million/$67)
9 Tampa - Raymond James Stadium (65,000/54,000/$3.5 million/$65)
12 Dallas - Cowboys Stadium (80,000/28,000/$1.8 million/$65)
14 Houston - Reliant Stadium (70,000/31,000/$2 million/$65)
19 Norman, OK (Oklahoma City area) - University Memorial Stadium (82,000/31,000/$2 million/$65)
20 Glendale, AZ (Phoenix) - University Of Phoenix Stadium (63,000/Sold Out/$4.5 million/$71.50)
23 Las Vegas - Sam Boyd Stadium (37,000/Sold Out/$4.5 million/$122)
25 Pasadena, CA (LA metro area) - Rose Bowl (95,000/Sold Out/11.5 million/$121)
28 Vancouver - BC Place Stadium (60,000/Sold Out/$5.5 million/$92)
This leg should gross over $105 million.
July - August 2010
Winnipeg - Canad Inns Stadium (55,000/Sold Out/$6 million/$109)
Edmonton - Commonwealth Stadium (2 shows...120,000/Sold Out/$11.5 million/$96)
Seattle - Qwest Field (65,000/Sold Out/$5.5 million/$85)
Salt Lake City - Rice Stadium (47,000/26,000/$1.7 million/$65)
Oakland - Alameda County Stadium (65,000/Sold Out/$7 million /$108)
San Diego - Qualcomm Stadium (70,000/Sold Out/$6 million/$86)
Denver - Invesco Field (75,000/57,000/$3.7 million/$65)
Minneapolis - Metrodome (64,000/34,000/$2.2 million/$65)
Madison - Camp Randall Stadium (81,000/77,000/$5 million/$65)
St. Louis - Edward James Dome (66,000/28,000/$1.8 million/$65)
Miami - Dolphins Stadium (75,000/Sold Out/$5 million/$67)
Detroit - Ford Field (65,000/Sold Out/$5 million/$77)
Cleveland - Browns Stadium (73,000/34,000/$2.2 million/$65)
Montreal - Olympic Stadium (65,000/Sold Out/$6 million/$92)
Halifax - Commons (80,000/46,000/$3 million/$65)
Pittsburgh - Heinz Field (65,000/28,000/$1.8 million/$65)
Hartford - Rentschler Field (2 shows…80,000/Sold Out/$5.5 million/$69)
Philadelphia - Lincoln Financial Field (2 shows…140,000/Sold Out/$15 million/$107)
Syracuse - Carrier Dome (50,000/26,000/$1.7 million/$65)
This leg should gross over $95 million.
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Washington, DC and Philadelphia have been revised.
pudgie_child
War Child
Of course you don't...because you clearly don't have a clue how to judge U2's concert demand. But hey, if you do, then post your predicted schedule...
Btw, the ONLY thing you're right about is the capacity of FedEx Field being over 90,000 and not 75,000 - which I swore it was when I looked it up online.
OK . . . ?
It's kind of pointless to come up with a tour itinerary, no? Even U2 changed the 2009 tour at the last minute.
And I'll admit it: I won't be disappointed if the stadium tour fails because I want to see them back in arenas.
So you can walk the walk...but you can't talk the talk?
pudgie_child
War Child
It's just such an inane idea, that's all. I could come up with a list of cities that I would like to see them play, but it's nonsense to try to predict where they'll schedule, let alone what the concert attendance will be. How many of us (including yourself) would have predicted that they were going to skip the Bay Area, Philadelphia, Miami, and Seattle on the first swing through North America?
I'm sorry, you can keep baiting me if you wish, but I think the exercise is just futile.
And, no, they're not going to play Halifax.
You're kidding yourself with this. They're not going to redo the stage setup to accomodate arenas just for the US if the fall tour fails. In that case they'll probably just tour Europe again next summer & then ROW knowing they can sell out stadiums in both.
How many cities did they skip during the first swing through North America during the Vertigo Tour?
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pudgie_child
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You may be right, but there are a few of us here who suspect the reason the band has only announced 4 North American cities so far is because they're having second thoughts about exclusively playing stadiums in the U.S. If the band's management was smart (and I have my doubts about that), U2 would be playing arenas in medium and small markets.
I guess time will tell.
pudgie_child
War Child
Of course you don't...because you clearly don't have a clue how to judge U2's concert demand. But hey, if you do, then post your predicted schedule...
Btw, the ONLY thing you're right about is the capacity of FedEx Field being over 90,000 and not 75,000 - which I swore it was when I looked it up online.
By the way, unless I missed it, you still didn't answer my question about your pricing theory:
On what basis do you claim that the average ticket price at the Rose Bowl will be 50% higher than the average ticket price at Giants Stadium?
buzzkill27
War Child
The caveat to that was it was they would only be selling some seats at $250 in high end markets like NY or LA even DC ......I can almost guarantee you that you wont see $250 dollar seats in Norman,Oklahoma....if they do somebody in the Live Nation/U2 camp is a very stupid and ignorant person and it will come back to haunt them
pudgie_child
War Child
Actually, in this case, time won't tell because if they re-publish the 12 "retracted" North American stadium sites, we will likely never know why they retracted them in the first place.
buzzkill27
War Child
Wrong.......they are only putting tickets for a handful of shows at a time because scalpers had a field day on the last tour when tickets for all shows went on at the same time and U2 was criticized for it.....plus some venues and dates are not completely set in stone ...you asked why some cities were skipped...it wasn't U2's intention to skip a place like Philly ...the Eagles are playing a home game between the NYC/NJ and DC dates and since the setup for the new tour only works in Football configurated stadiums so Philly is out this time around...I imagine the same thing is true for Miami and Seattle....it also happened with Baltimore...the owner of the Baltimore Ravens football team tried to have U2 play at their stadium but the Ravens are playing a football game at home around the same date U2 gave the Ravens...so it's a no go..instead U2 is playing at the Redskins field 35 miles away
pudgie_child
War Child
The scalper issue isn't solved by staggering on-sales; in fact, if anything, it makes it easier for scalpers to get tickets since an individual scalper can attempt to get prime tickets to multiple shows instead of just one or two.
The other stuff is speculation. You may be right, but no one here knows for sure why certain dates were published on the website (and initial press releases) and then later removed. One would assume that the band's management team would have booked dates with teams and venues before publishing them in the first place.
James U2
The Fly
you really think that norman, oklahoma will sell more tickets than dallas or houston?
BWU2Buffs
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14 Houston - Reliant Stadium (70,000/31,000/$2 million/$65)
19 Norman, OK (Oklahoma City area) - University Memorial Stadium (82,000/31,000/$2 million/$65)
20 Glendale, AZ (Phoenix) - University Of Phoenix Stadium (63,000/Sold Out/$4.5 million/$71.50)
Assuming this is close, why would U2 skip 5 days between Houston and Norman and only 1 day to get over to Phoenix -- wouldn't 14, 17, 20 make more sense from a date perspective and logistics?
Is there a big birthday in there or is Houston just really cool in the fall?
19 Norman, OK (Oklahoma City area) - University Memorial Stadium (82,000/31,000/$2 million/$65)
20 Glendale, AZ (Phoenix) - University Of Phoenix Stadium (63,000/Sold Out/$4.5 million/$71.50)
Assuming this is close, why would U2 skip 5 days between Houston and Norman and only 1 day to get over to Phoenix -- wouldn't 14, 17, 20 make more sense from a date perspective and logistics?
Is there a big birthday in there or is Houston just really cool in the fall?
James U2
The Fly
this made me laugh for a good six minutes.
There's supposedly only going to be one show in LA and probably three shows in NYC/NJ. So since I believe they'll be able to gross $11.5 million in LA and the capacity of the Rose Bowl is 95,000, you divide $11.5 million by 95,000 and you get an average price of basically $121. Whereas, since I believe they'll be able to gross $19.5 million in NYC/NJ from three shows and the capacity of Giants Stadium is 80,000, you divide $19.5 million by 240,000 (three nights) and you get an average price of basically $81.
Why are you asking me? Those particular dates are from the initial tour dates schedule that was released last week that a forum member posted on this site...
pudgie_child
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Maoilbheannacht
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Unfortunately, you don't seem to understand the the list of the best selling albums in 2009 through week 10 is based on combined sales of all the weeks each album has been on chart, not just their best selling week. Here is just the top 10 again:
01 - 685,451 - FEARLESS - Taylor Swift
02 - 490,113 - I AM…SASHA FIERCE - Beyonce
03 - 484,499 - NO LINE ON THE HORIZON - U2
04 - 475,845 - DARK HORSE - Nickelback
05 - 459,012 - WORKING ON A DREAM - Bruce Springsteen
06 - 384,564 - 808S AND HEARTBREAK - Kanye West
07 - 368,901 - THE FRAY - The Fray
08 - 344,029 - INTUITION - Jamie Foxx
09 - 321,659 - TWILIGHT - Soundtrack
10 - 321,441 - A DIFFERENT ME - Keyshia Cole
Bruce Springsteen's new album has 459,012 copies sold in 2009 so far. But that is not just from his albums initial week on chart, but all the weeks since it was released through week 10! In just one week, U2 outsold everything so far in 2009 with the exception of Beyonce and Taylor Swift! In another 4 weeks, U2 will be at the top of this chart. By the time quarter 4 roles around, it will have sold probably between 1.5 million and 2 million copies. So, for an album released in quarter 4 of 2009 to beat U2 for the year 2009, it would have to sell 1.5 million to 2 million copies in LESS THAN 12 weeks. Let me remind you that through 52 weeks in 2008, only 4 albums sold 2 million or more copies! There was not a single album in 2008 that was able to sell 2 million copies or more in just October, November and December months combined. But that is what a quarter 4 release in 2009 would have to do, in order to beat "No Line On The Horizon's" sales for 2009.
By the way, POP may of had the best selling SINGLE week of 1997 through week 10, but it was not one of the top 10 best selling albums for the year through week 10, unlike "No Line On The Horizon" which is already at the #3 mark.
This is going to be a great year for U2 as the album will finish out the year in the top 10, and the tour will already be one of the highest grossing ever even though less than half of its shows will have been played by that point. Once the tour finishes in 2010, it will likely be the highest grossing tour in world history!
I think many of the exact dates were retracted because the negotiations were not finalized for many if not all of these cities. The Zootopia Mods have pretty much said this. In case of the Dallas. the status of the negotiation has been pretty well publicized in the local press.
Despite the actual dates being retracted, u2.com has never removed this from their page. The only discrepancy is Raleigh, where a date was listed but doesn't appear in the cities listed in the text.
My own personal opinion is that u2.com listed all of the information initially on purpose, knowing it would be copied and pasted by the fanatics like us on this site, who would have been freaking out if only the 4 dates had been listed. This way there has been a general calm in the US knowing that these dates at least exist.
I'm not sure where this comes from?
I think it's more wishful thinking on your part because you haven't come to grips with a stadium tour. Don't worry about it, I felt the same way last summer when I was first told by someone that this tour would not include arenas.
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Raleigh is included in the text of a Live Nation press release that came out yesterday.
I was referring to the u2.com text. I'm not skeptical that the actual date it still valid.
U2FanPeter
Rock n' Roll Doggie Band-aid
I think the average number of 250 tickets is 7-8,000 tickets per show. The magic of 4 price tiers is that one can playe with ratios and outsiders can't figure out the exact numbers of each tier. Some US Vertigo shows had average ticket prices over $100 and other were $20 less on average. Ok may have have more $90 tickets than other cities.
Maoilbheannacht
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Here is my prediction of how the first US LEG will do in terms of attendance, gross, and average ticket price:
City/Venue/Capacity/Tickets Sold/Gross/Average Ticket Price
September
12, 13 Chicago - Soldier Field (2 shows...120,000/Sold Out/$12 million /$100)
16, 17 Toronto - Rogers Centre (2 shows...140,000/Sold Out/$14 million/$100)
20, 21 Foxboro, MA (Boston) - Gillette Stadium (2 shows...140,000/Sold Out/$14 million /$100)
24, 25 E. Rutherford, NJ (NYC metro area) - Giants Stadium (2 shows...160,000/Sold Out/$16.1 million /$100.68)
29 Washington, DC - FedEx Field (92,000/Sold Out/$9.2 million/$99.53)
October
1 Charlottesville, VA - Scott Stadium (62,000/55,000/$5.4 million/$97.70)
3 Raleigh - Carter Finley Stadium (57,000/45,000/$3.6 million/$80)
6 Atlanta - Georgia Dome (67,000/Sold Out/$6.3 million/$95)
9 Tampa - Raymond James Stadium (65,000/55,000/$5.2 million/$95)
12 Dallas - Cowboys Stadium (80,000/55,000/$5.4 million/$97.70)
14 Houston - Reliant Stadium (70,000/45,000/$4.3 million/$95)
19 Norman, OK (Oklahoma City area) - University Memorial Stadium (82,000/50,000/$4 million/$80)
20 Glendale, AZ (Phoenix) - University Of Phoenix Stadium (63,000/Sold Out/$6 million/$95)
23 Las Vegas - Sam Boyd Stadium (37,000/Sold Out/$4.5 million/$122)
25 Pasadena, CA (LA metro area) - Rose Bowl (95,000/Sold Out/9.5 million/$100)
28 Vancouver - BC Place Stadium (60,000/Sold Out/$6 million/$100)
Total gross $125.5 million from 20 shows.
City/Venue/Capacity/Tickets Sold/Gross/Average Ticket Price
September
12, 13 Chicago - Soldier Field (2 shows...120,000/Sold Out/$12 million /$100)
16, 17 Toronto - Rogers Centre (2 shows...140,000/Sold Out/$14 million/$100)
20, 21 Foxboro, MA (Boston) - Gillette Stadium (2 shows...140,000/Sold Out/$14 million /$100)
24, 25 E. Rutherford, NJ (NYC metro area) - Giants Stadium (2 shows...160,000/Sold Out/$16.1 million /$100.68)
29 Washington, DC - FedEx Field (92,000/Sold Out/$9.2 million/$99.53)
October
1 Charlottesville, VA - Scott Stadium (62,000/55,000/$5.4 million/$97.70)
3 Raleigh - Carter Finley Stadium (57,000/45,000/$3.6 million/$80)
6 Atlanta - Georgia Dome (67,000/Sold Out/$6.3 million/$95)
9 Tampa - Raymond James Stadium (65,000/55,000/$5.2 million/$95)
12 Dallas - Cowboys Stadium (80,000/55,000/$5.4 million/$97.70)
14 Houston - Reliant Stadium (70,000/45,000/$4.3 million/$95)
19 Norman, OK (Oklahoma City area) - University Memorial Stadium (82,000/50,000/$4 million/$80)
20 Glendale, AZ (Phoenix) - University Of Phoenix Stadium (63,000/Sold Out/$6 million/$95)
23 Las Vegas - Sam Boyd Stadium (37,000/Sold Out/$4.5 million/$122)
25 Pasadena, CA (LA metro area) - Rose Bowl (95,000/Sold Out/9.5 million/$100)
28 Vancouver - BC Place Stadium (60,000/Sold Out/$6 million/$100)
Total gross $125.5 million from 20 shows.
Unfortunately it is you who do not understand. Yes, I realize those totals are cumulative for 2009. My point is that some of those albums were released in 2008. When you compare U2 to Taylor Swift and Beyonce, you are ignoring their sales from 2008. It is not a fair comparison.
nicv
New Yorker
Wow! Can you imagine if they sell out the Rose Bowl it will be massive. Maybe a recording could take place there 
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