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Old 01-06-2020, 09:59 PM   #441
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I don't why some of you have a problem with the Finn character. He leaves the First Order, helps Rey, does help the Resistance (afer being caught by Rose-but he was trying to help Rey), is a Force Sensitive. Boydega does s very good job, serious, funny, etc.
And i liked the way they brought him and Rose together - it was funny. I loved how he clicked into helping as they both clicked into what they both knew about trackers etc.

While the high stakes gambling town, and it could have been shortened - it presents interesting aspects. Rose says to Finn, "look closer" and you see the difference in regular peoples lives via the three stable kids. She tells him her planets story. You see the cruelty of the trainer. I loved the farthiers , some of the best animals in the SW universe. When they crash through the casino - Rose partly gets her wish.
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Old 01-07-2020, 01:46 AM   #442
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I like Finn very much, especially in Force Awakens. I don't like the nature of his relationship with Rey in ROTS because he lacks agency and spends too much of the film doting on her.
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Old 01-07-2020, 08:48 AM   #443
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The Finn character had great promise, but it never delivered. What was the point of his arc? There's also all the unexplained stuff in Episode IX. What did he want to tell Rey (and why allude to it so many times and not deliver?). And is he force sensitive/why? It just felt like a waste of a good character too me, overall. And the fact that they wrote off Rose from Episode IX to appease misogynist fanboys seems to have done him a disservice, as she had become an integral part of his character arc in my view.
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Old 01-09-2020, 05:42 PM   #444
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LM Um... don't quite get where he had a lack of agency. Some vague thots but tell me - I may agree w you once i understand the details better.

As far as Finn and Rey go, I'm fuzzy on some of SW VII because i only saw it once ($ issue) after all this time. The went a lot together that can bond people.

gump To me his arc is can be as simple guy on bad side turns to good side, and all the different was he helps and becomes part of the Resistance.

It was a drag they cut down Rose's screen time for herself, and with Finn.

Maybe for the other questions - future media? Though as far as I know DR is done with it film-wise. Finn along with others could be trained by Rey "off-screen" and we see them later in their Jedi lives in ?one off film. Rey could be training padawans in books or comics.
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Old 01-09-2020, 06:42 PM   #445
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, More thoughts on more seeds of Luke's Optimism re: Rey, reconnecting with The Force, and Leia in TLJ, afer I rewatched it again.
(you may not agree but I think I make a good case )

So Rey while they're sitting by the Temple's little pool after all their discussion the last thing Rey says is (probably much to his dismay), "The Galaxy may need a Legend". Previously she'd said, "Leia sent me here with hope".

Not too mich later he goes to open himself back up to the Force. Look how the little pool dances with Life after he does!
Before that though after he asks Chewie about Han, possibly somewhere in the back of his mind - he's got to be shocked, etc about Han being murdered he didn't know because he couldn't feel anyone's shock and grief through the Force ofafter it happened. People he was closest to. What did he feel from Leia one he had connected? It must have shook him hard. There she was truly with the weight of the Resistance upon her (after her previous years of other efforts) without her brother's shoulder to lean on, especially now that Han was gone! (why have only one shoulder, when you could have two )

It's also possible that in the reconnecting to Leia, and The Force in general he's also reminded of, feeling past joys of his connection with her, Chewie, etc, and with Life itself. He was so full of sorrow, guilt that eventually he became unbalanced himself.

When he goes to burn The Tree down, hesitates then when Yoda does it for him he leaps to save the original Jedi Texts, not knowing Rey took them. "Read them have you? Page-turners they were not". (love that line!) Maybe Yoda had changed some of his views. Yoda tells him "lose Rey, we must not".

So he goes off to help in a rather unique way. But listen to how he sounds when he tells Ren "and I will not be the last Jedi". He sounds positive with this. He does feel her darkness, but also her heart. "Ah, you still have that firery spit of Hope of a true Jedi, and that is why you must die", says Snoke. (anpther wonderful line) q Luke could now sense her feelings fighting against first Snoke, then refusing to join Ren and fighting him.

I think he became proud of her, and if things worked out she could become a goid, a great Jedi one possibly with dome new ways of being a Jedi.
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Old 01-13-2020, 07:44 PM   #446
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I finally saw Episode 9. The only things that slightly perturbed me was Fin constantly yelling, and no ghost of Anakin or Obi- Wan showing up. Thought that would have been nice to see to bring things full circle. But, otherwise, enjoyed the movie. Plus, saw it at an Alamo Drafthouse Cinema, where you can order a meal and drinks while you view the film. My fiancée and I both ordered a Royale with cheese. Fried pickles too.
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Old 01-13-2020, 08:21 PM   #447
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@dazzled

What I mean by a "lack of agency" for Finn in TROS is that he seems like more of a sidekick than a dynamic character who makes his own decisions that impact the story in a meaningful way. He's like a little puppy chasing after Rey for most of the film, and when he does split off from the group later in the film, he's essentially following Jannah's lead to achieve a common goal.

It's not like he had a ton to do in Last Jedi, but at least in that movie he had control of a (somewhat pointless) subplot that was self-contained but showcased him as a character. TFA promised a really interesting free thinker who broke away from convention as a force-sensitive young man with agency, but in TROS he has devolved to the point where he's constantly chasing after Rey and yelling her name. Even his conversations with Poe come back to Rey.

I dunno. Just seems like kind of a wasted character.
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Old 01-14-2020, 01:24 PM   #448
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https://www.esquire.com/entertainmen...revorrow-leak/

 

Duel of Fates opens with a pretty vague crawl:

The iron grip of the FIRST ORDER has spread to the farthest reaches of the galaxy. Only a few scattered planets remain unoccupied. Traitorous acts are punishable by death.Determined to suffocate a growing unrest, Supreme Leader KYLO REN has silenced all communication between neighboring systems. Led by GENERAL LEIA ORGANA, the Resistance has planned a secret mission to prevent their annihilation and forge a path to freedom...

This opening text isn't too far off from what's going on at the onset of Rise of Skywalker (except for the whole dead speaking thing), but the big difference here is the state of Kylo Ren. According to the description, the moody dark lord has, like Luke Skywalker, vanished. He's off on Mustafar skulking around Darth Vader's castle, "haunted" by the ghost of Luke Skywalker. Ren does find an ancient Sith device. But it's not a wayfinder, like in Rise of Skywalker. It's a "holocron," which leads him to someone named Tor Valum, the Sith teacher of Palpatine.

Both Ren and Rey seem to be trying to put an end to the Sith and the Jedi. It's a story detail that many expected to appear in Episode IX–putting an end to the centuries-old conflict between these warring religions. Rey believes there's still good in Kylo, and Kylo realizes that it was love that clouded Darth Vader's perception.

There are some great highlights in this alleged leaked script, too. Rose Tico and BB-8 get a heist sequence of their own. The Resistance, including Poe and Finn, steal a god damn Star Destroyer. Kylo Ren fights a Darth Vader. And Chewie even pilots an X-Wing.

In the end, it's revealed that Kylo Ren killed Rey's parents. She's not a Palpatine, she's just Rey. The Force Ghosts of Luke, Obi-Wan, and Yoda all assist Rey in her final battle against Ren. The Jedi all try to bring Ben back to the light, but they are unsuccessful. As the leak says, "Ben is extinguished."


I'd see that movie. Thanks for nothing, JJ.
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Certainly sounds like it had great potential.
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@dazzled

What I mean by a "lack of agency" for Finn in TROS is that he seems like more of a sidekick than a dynamic character who makes his own decisions that impact the story in a meaningful way. He's like a little puppy chasing after Rey for most of the film, and when he does split off from the group later in the film, he's essentially following Jannah's lead to achieve a common goal.

It's not like he had a ton to do in Last Jedi, but at least in that movie he had control of a (somewhat pointless) subplot that was self-contained but showcased him as a character. TFA promised a really interesting free thinker who broke away from convention as a force-sensitive young man with agency, but in TROS he has devolved to the point where he's constantly chasing after Rey and yelling her name. Even his conversations with Poe come back to Rey.

I dunno. Just seems like kind of a wasted character.

Yeah, nailed it.
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Old 01-15-2020, 07:49 PM   #451
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I finally saw Episode 9. The only things that slightly perturbed me was Fin constantly yelling, and no ghost of Anakin or Obi- Wan showing up. Thought that would have been nice to see to bring things full circle. But, otherwise, enjoyed the movie. Plus, saw it at an Alamo Drafthouse Cinema, where you can order a meal and drinks while you view the film. My fiancée and I both ordered a Royale with cheese. Fried pickles too.
JJ wanted to hight light Luke and Leia instead of adding the others. Since Rey was burying their sabers by the Lars old farm it made a moving scene to me. And we do hear all the other Jedi ghosts wen Rey is battling to recover her strength.

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What I mean by a "lack of agency" for Finn in TROS is that he seems like more of a sidekick than a dynamic character who makes his own decisions that impact the story in a meaningful way. He's like a little puppy chasing after Rey for most of the film, and when he does split off from the group later in the film, he's essentially following Jannah's lead to achieve a common goal.

It's not like he had a ton to do in Last Jedi, but at least in that movie he had control of a (somewhat pointless) subplot that was self-contained but showcased him as a character. TFA promised a really interesting free thinker who broke away from convention as a force-sensitive young man with agency, but in TROS he has devolved to the point where he's constantly chasing after Rey and yelling her name. Even his conversations with Poe come back to Rey.

I dunno. Just seems like kind of a wasted character.
Got it.


grumpWell that sounded pretty wild and fun, too.
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Old 01-18-2020, 10:01 AM   #452
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If you compare box office runs after this weekend, TROS will be about equal with TLJ for the first 10 days in North America and that is despite opening 20% lower. To your point that is due to the massive 30 million days but starting tomorrow is when TLJ enters its “holiday week” and you are going to see huge separation with TLJ grossing 10 million more per day this week and continuing into next week (when TLJ had its New Years).

I could be wrong and it is only 10 days into its run and I don’t even have 2nd weekend numbers yet....so I’m making my assumptions on only 7 days of data and therefore could be completely off but it’s fun to trend/compare.

For now, my final guess (that’s really what it is) is:

Total North American gross: $500-530 million and I’ll go with 523 million

Total WW gross: $1030-$1070 and I’ll go with $1058

I’ll give periodic updates on how it’s doing for those that are interested.


Numbers update (for those who care):

Domestic stands at $484
World Wide stands at 1.003 billion

The good:

There isn’t much here.

The film WILL be profitable when all is said and done (TV rights, home video).

It will cross $500 domestic, which is a huge number

It hit $1 billion WW and while that isn’t the once cherished threshold it was 10 years ago, it’s still an important and symbolic number

The bad:

There isn’t much gas left in the tank. It will likely end up making ~$300 million less than The Last Jedi WW and ~$1 billion less than The Force Awakens WW.

Domestic the decline is similar with it coming in ~$100+ lower than the Last Jedi and ~$400 million lower than The Force Awakens

Now this movie was NEVER expected to make anywhere near The Force Awakens even before The Last Jedi came out. TFA was a phenomenon that only occurs once a decade (or when an Avengers movie comes out lol). However, this movie should have made a lot more than it will (falling $400 to $700 million short if you ask me).

When all is said and done, I still stick with my $1.058 billion WW prediction (or projection is more accurate I think) and my $523 domestic is likely going to be about $10-15 million too optimistic(but it will definitely fall within the 500-530 range).

Ugh, what could have been if they just sat down and put together a well thought out story in 2014 and used one director(don’t even care at this point who).

At least we got Babu Frik

My next prediction is the following

Lando Calrisian Disney + show (likely with the girl from the movie that didn’t know her parents)

Poe’s ex(Kerri Russel) Disney + show and if it has Babu in it....sign me up!
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Yeah, you called it. I initially thought it was on track to match or top TLJ but the way it lined up with the holiday made the early returns seem better than it was, I think?

I'm sure that Disney suits/Kathleen Kennedy will find a way to blame TLJ for the lower turnout, instead of admitting that they made a subpar film and overall a trilogy that just doesn't hold together very well and that didn't resonate with people enough to care anymore.

But if we look at the poorly-received Attack of the Clones, it sure didn't stop the third film of that trilogy from rebounding and making something like $75 million more and finishing as #1 of the year (after Clones was #2 for the year and $100 million behind Spider-Man).
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Old 04-29-2020, 09:11 AM   #454
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Strong as a Buc at 77:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/cel...?ocid=msedgdhp
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Why haven't they taken his pilot's license yet? Someone needs to save him from himself.
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Are you going to take it away from him? The man is a national treasure!
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Are you going to take it away from him? The man is a national treasure!
Plus he'll physically overwhelm anyone who tries to pry his pilot's license from his cold dead hands.
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