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Rock n' Roll Doggie
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That produced alcohol products, tobacco products, or military defense like bombs, missiles?
__________________I choose these three because: the incredible problem this country (and others) have with alcoholism, and how one persons alcoholism can lead to the decline of a family and worse. Tobacco products because you are in essence making a product people will use that eventually kill them. Missiles because it may kill innocent people, while at the same time defending your country. I realize there are many 'loopholes' (People who smoke understand the possible consequences, some people can drink in moderation, etc) in these questions, but just wondering, on gut feeling, what you would do. |
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It's a good question, and the answer is...I'm not sure. lol. Because ultimately you could expand that list quite a bit, couldn't you? I mean, lots of things can be used to the detriment of people...working for McDonald's may mean contributing to the heart disease rate and subsequent deaths of people. Working for a computer company may mean that people use your technology to swap kiddie porn on the net. It's all very murky and related.
__________________So on the surface, I think my answer would be that no, I wouldn't want to work for a company who creates a product that I find ethically and/or morally offensive or detrimental. However, I sometimes wonder if I can really take the moral high ground since just about anything can be used negatively. The choice of the consumer vs. the intent of the manufacturer etc. that may have made zero sense at all. *fighting a cold and sinus headache may have addled sula's brain* ![]() |
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I agree with, Sula! Im not sure.
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Alcohol and tobacco are items of choice. They may cause harm, but we live in a society that allows us our personal choices, therefore I have no moral problem with this at all.
Missiles are a different matter.
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If I was to relate it to my actuall profession (graphic designer), I wouldn't agree to work on ads that promoted tobacco or alcohol.
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If you were a scientist and get, say, 500k per year plus benefits etc. would you do it then? Me: missiles no, alc./ tob. maybe. |
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Good Topic!
I can answer this question in a slightly indirect manner...
My very first job as a chemist was at a cosmetic company. This was a contract lab. Companies like Colgate would come to this small company and ask them to make their product(s). When you see the "made in the U.S.A." label on a product, all that means is that some factory somewhere in the U.S. made the product - not that Colgate themselves did. This little cosmetic factory was located in Chicago (not sure if they still exist or not). I would test shampoos, sunscreens, burn lotions, etc. for consistency and stability. I left that job after a short time because the pay was atrocious and the benefits were non-existent. In a matter of months I received from another company who offerred $10K more a year (which was HUGE back then) and much better benefits. That alone made the offer nearly impossible to refuse. But more importantly, this other company did work in therapeutics - something I wanted to do. While the overall work that I did at this little cosmetic company was fine (perhaps that's because it was the summer of '87 and I heard U2's JT on the radio constantly! ![]() ![]() Most of the companies I have worked for since this small cosmetic company most have been in the field of diagnostics or therapeutics. As I insinuated above, I just feel that my talents are better used in these fields. Plus, I have a certain "pride" about my job. With that in mind, I think I would have a lot of difficulty working for an alcohol plant or tobacco company or under a military weapons contract. If I knew my R&D efforts would go toward a biological weapon, for example, I could not take the position. I feel that my knowledge and skills as a scientist should only be used for good. And while I drink my share of alcohol, on rare times take a puff of a cigarette, appreciate our military defense and use my share of cosmetics, these are just not areas that I could pursue a career in - I just couldn't justify that to myself.
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Re: Good Topic!
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Well everyone knows whom I work for, and most of you hate him anyway so what I say probably won't mean anything to you anyways.
However, let me ask you one question first; DO you believe that you are responsible to provide for your family? That is assuming you have one, or if not then do you believe that you are responsible for providing for yourself? What if the only job you could get involved one of the three industries in the question above (not my personal situation either, btw, I could work elsewhere easily but I proudly choose my profession)? |
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i'm working in healthcare industry , so i don't care about this question , but if salary starts with $$$1 milion$$$ a year , why not
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Z Edge thats an interesting counter response. I think take choice away from this and you do end up with a different story. Without choice, we would surely have to make some kind of compromise and eventually decide how important our own personal well being is vs our convictions on such things.
I wouldn't like it, but come to that and I would rather make missiles than see my family starve. I dont support war, but often it is something we can do little about. I would protect my family while knowing that during war or under attack, my government is protecting the country, or trying to at least.
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In this volatile market, I grew a sack of balls and bought Anheuser-Busch Companies Inc., stock symbol BUD.
I figure its relation to the market (or Beta) is quite low and I'm betting that BUD is a good recessionary stock to ride out the storm. That said, I guess I'm contributing (or betting on) the alchoholics of this nation/world. mIck
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thanks everyone. interesting ideas floating around.
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I think alcohol can be "just as bad" because it is an addictive drug which is used as a weapon (drunk driving, rape, domestic violence, etc) when it is in the wrong hands. Second hand smoke causes about 3,000 deaths to nonsmokers every year, never mind the harm it causes children (respiratory problems that haunt them for life, asthma) I'm really torn up on this subject which is why I'm not saying much. But I like reading what you guys have to say. |
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They are produced for hurting or killing. Missiles can destroy all planet Earth at once; alcohol or smoking couldnīt, I think. Illegal arms trade has a rendezvous with illegal drug trafficking, too. |
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![]() On the other hand, is it any different to produce weapons to defend the country and joining the army/marines/navy/airforce/etc ? |
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The producers of weapons etc. sometimes sell their products to other countries as well. That would mean that you can't be sure of if the weapons will be used just as defence. Can someone confirm this? I know, for example, that Sweden (my country) sold planes (of the kind to be used in war) to southafrica once. It's not exactly the exact thing but something similar... |
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oliveu2cm: I fail to see any difference; you never know/ can guarantee what the weaponry will be used for. |
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after working for a nonprofit philanthropical organization ... there's no going back.
__________________so the answer is a definitive no. i'm like john cusack in 'say anything': I don't want to sell anything, buy anything or process anything as a career. I don't want to sell anything bought or processed, or buy anything sold or processed, or... process anything sold, bought or processed, or repair anything sold, bought or processed, you know, as a career I don't want to do that. |
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