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Old 09-02-2017, 01:17 PM   #281
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. I've traveled around the world, been in some dodgy places. But the United States is the only country where I will modify my behaviour because of things like this. People be crazy.

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Old 09-03-2017, 12:30 AM   #282
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Er, that was supposed to be "exerting power"
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Old 09-03-2017, 09:11 AM   #283
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Does anyone ever notice that once the Hitler comparison is invoked there's really no where else for the conversation to go? It's like once absolute evil is summoned, there is a black void of suck where movement is no longer possible?
On a positive note, I get to go to Detroit today and hear JT II again! I'm loving my life right now!
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Old 09-03-2017, 10:37 AM   #284
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I feel this is the attitude in North Korea
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Heh. Pretty much sums it up.

Ugh, I hate this whole situation. I do not want nor would I support an actual war over there, for a whole host of reasons. I know full well that's way too risky an option, and I don't want the lives of the citizens of either South Korea or North Korea (lord knows they're already going through enough hell as it is) put at risk.

But man, if somebody, whoever it is, could find some way to quietly get Kim Jong-Un out of power, and put somebody relatively more stable in charge instead...that would be so great. I don't know how feasible that option is, I don't know who would be an ideal sort to put in charge of that country, if any such person even exists, but if there is indeed a way...

I figure, too, that if that does happen, it would be more South Korea's, Japan's, or possibly China's, if they choose to get involved, decision to make? I dunno. If any of them have or come up with a good plan to deal with him once and for all, though, I'm all for it.
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As terrifying as nuclear weapons are, I just don't see NK having and motivation to use them for anything more than deterrence/show of strength to its citizenry etc.
If they use them unprovoked, the current political entity that is NK dies. Completely, I'd suspect. As would a large number of its citizens.
And what do they get in return? What is the goal for them? Are they trying to invade somewhere for more land or resources? I haven't heard that they are.
So yeah, scary that they've got nuclear weapons and are testing them and have an unstable leader.
But then that's not a situation unique to NK is it..
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Is he that unstable ? No more than Trump.

And he's putting the pressure on Trump. He has to negotiate with China, Russia, And keep SK and Japan happy.

Remember when Obama was a pussy for his red line comment ? How many times now has NK pushed Trump and all he's done is talk shit.

Obviously want cooler heads to prevail but I just can't see this same script had Clinton been in charge. At least don't see NK being as aggressive as they've ever been
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Old 09-03-2017, 11:51 PM   #288
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Does anyone ever notice that once the Hitler comparison is invoked there's really no where else for the conversation to go? It's like once absolute evil is summoned, there is a black void of suck where movement is no longer possible?
Agreed...so why does the Left keep invoking Reductio ad Hitlerum and Reductio ad Nazium ?
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agreed...so why does the left keep invoking reductio ad hitlerum and reductio ad nazium ?
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I thought of posting that exact same tweet, you can't really claim Godwin's Law on this when Godwin himself says it's legitimate.
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Heh. Pretty much sums it up.

Ugh, I hate this whole situation. I do not want nor would I support an actual war over there, for a whole host of reasons. I know full well that's way too risky an option, and I don't want the lives of the citizens of either South Korea or North Korea (lord knows they're already going through enough hell as it is) put at risk.

But man, if somebody, whoever it is, could find some way to quietly get Kim Jong-Un out of power, and put somebody relatively more stable in charge instead...that would be so great. I don't know how feasible that option is, I don't know who would be an ideal sort to put in charge of that country, if any such person even exists, but if there is indeed a way...

I figure, too, that if that does happen, it would be more South Korea's, Japan's, or possibly China's, if they choose to get involved, decision to make? I dunno. If any of them have or come up with a good plan to deal with him once and for all, though, I'm all for it.
I agree, a war there would actually be impossible. There is no way (that I can see) China allowing US troops in North Korea. There is the possibility of a Chinese backdoor endorsement of a surgical strike, but that seems unlikely because China uses the North Korean erratic leader (and his new nukes) as a bargaining chip in international trade negotiations.

I'm very concerned that South Korea and Japan are putting pressure on the US the eliminate this constant wild card threat. China should be taking lead here - as their economy is so entwined with all of the others. A rogue nuke strike against Japan or S Koreas will kill tens of thousands instantly - but the global economy will certainly tank hard (that is, it doesn't escalate to nuclear holocaust)...this includes China.
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I thought of posting that exact same tweet, you can't really claim Godwin's Law on this when Godwin himself says it's legitimate.
lol - how's that not circular reasoning...?

And I didn't quote Goodwin's Law for that reason.

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Nazism has been condemned in the modern world, except when people think Nazis should be able to hold rallies and espouse their hateful ideology in the public sphere, and portray those who oppose them as the real perpetrators of violence.
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Have you that maybe, just maybe, as a white man you see things differently and have different experience than a woman of a different ethnicity? Just because you do not see these things, does not mean they do not exist. Do you really context to explain away racism? Is that it, that with context you can provide reason and hence defend/explain it away?
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And, what did you mean by saying 'Oh I live somewhere where until recently, it was mostly people of European descent' ?
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Nazism has been condemned in the modern world, except when people think Nazis should be able to hold rallies and espouse their hateful ideology in the public sphere, and portray those who oppose them as the real perpetrators of violence.
Diemen, I am asking you take your view on the subject one level higher (not from a superiority ranking, but from the specific groups involved). If we ban one group, then that opens the door to banning others. And how could we govern such ban? If we banned a group named "The Zerg" and their symbols - then they can just rename their group the "The Zorg" and slightly alter their symbols just enough to make them legal.

America (and the rest of Western Civilization) relies on the freedom of speech to keep evolving. That mean, some ideas will be expressed that you or I disagree with. - and we must allow it so that good ones all come forward. I think that the Civil Rights movement and Gay Rights movement are recent victories of free speech. The KKK, despite having so much power in the early 20th century, are non-existent as a real political force because of their defeats in the arena public perception (and their violence was not only illegal, it went against the very spirit of free speech since they were suppressing their opponents with intimidation and murder).
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I've argued for the tolerance of speech - not the tolerance of violence.
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Again, that's a completely vapid thing to say. They go hand in hand mate. And it's disingenuous to suggest otherwise.
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Again, that's a completely vapid thing to say. They go hand in hand mate. And it's disingenuous to suggest otherwise.
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By Amber Phillips June 19, 2015, Washington Post

The Supreme Court released a decision ruling against a Confederate veterans group that wanted the state of Texas to approve a specialty license plate with the Confederate flag. The state denied the plate, and the veterans group sued Texas for violating its free speech.

In a 5-4 decision, the justices said the license plate was government property and therefore not subject to free speech protections.

The Confederate Veterans group wasn't happy about the way the case turned out. Neither was the American Civil Liberties Union. Its legal director, Steven R. Shapiro, issued a stern statement in response to the decision:

"By allowing states to censor private speech they deem offensive, today's decision is a step backwards for the First Amendment."


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To truly understand why most of the support for Trump is based on economics and not race: 1) re-watch the Michael Moore video I posted (who predicted and understand Trump's election, but obviously did not endorse him because...it was her turn!) and 2) stories like THIS:

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There is a strong correlation between immigration—particularly illegal immigration—and wages. This should be obvious to anyone familiar with the fundamental principle of supply and demand: more supply (workers) means lower prices (wages), and vice versa...

According to the National Association of Home Builders, more than 56% of America’s developers are reporting labor shortages, which is forcing them to increases wages and improve working conditions to attract new talent.

In fact, according to Ted Wilson of Residential Strategies Inc. construction costs have risen by 30% this year—the majority of which is due to higher wages and increased overtime pay. That is, companies are being forced to hire American workers, and pay wages at fair market value.

Why?

Because President Trump’s crackdown on illegal immigration is preventing them from hiring illegal aliens, who undercut the labor market, shortchanging American workers. The impact of this (while often ignored) is significant.
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