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What do you think of McCain's new energy plan? Here are the highlights...
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Now I want to vote for Obama, but his energy plan really just consists of goals, without spelling out a way for how we can reach those goals. Obama's reaction to McCain's plan... Quote:
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How does he plan on "encouraging" our market? |
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Clean Coal technologies so far are pretty bad. They lower the efficiency rate to around 30 percent. Not that they shouldn't be developed and researched further, but I think priority should be to develop other means of energy production and energy saving more.
I don't know where he wants to get the uranium to run 100 nuclear power plants, but maybe he hopes the world will just produce for the US. Additionally, a nuclear power plant itself might be carbon free, the production chain of the uranium as of the plant however is not, so is not the storage, and there is still dispute over how high the costs will be to satisfy our uranium demand: BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Nuclear's CO2 cost 'will climb' We would also have to increase the efficiency of all power plants, which is much more important. But like with the oil one thing is for sure: Instead of exploiting more and more deposits focus should lie on how to reduce energy consumption altogether, in the US, the greatest energy consumer on earth, in Europe and in all other parts of the world. Both candidates should get more clear on what their plans exactly are. |
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Well I just posted the highlights, the substance is in the link I posted. For one, he wants to build 45 new nuclear plants by 2030, with 100 new plants the ultimate goal.
He wants to expand domestic oil exploration to the outer continental shelf. While this isn't ideal, it is better than being reliant on countries in the mideast. And if it can give us some stability while waiting for alternative forms or energy to develop, then I'm for it. With tax credits and incentives to develop clean energy technologies. A 300 million dollar prize for someone who develops a fully electric car. A 5000 dollar tax credit to people who buy zero emission cars. A permanent tax credit of 10% of wages spent on research and development of these clean energies plus temporary tax credits to make wind, solar and hydro energies commercially feasible. It may not be perfect, but at least it's a start. I've yet to hear anything from Obama that I can really get behind on the energy front yet. |
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A lighter more powerful battery makes electric cars viable. as for their two plans here is an article from the Christian Science Monitor Quote:
Obama really does not offer anything just pandering to his interest groups so score one for McCain an experience player that knows how to move the ball not just sit on it and hope time runs out. |
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Subsidizing corn to run our SUVs, rather than to feed the country? Has he been to the grocery store lately $$$$$ ? McCain does not support these subsidies or the shameless pandering to the Midwest. I'm also waiting for Mr. Obama to announce his windfall profits tax on the financial and pharmecutical industries, whose profit margins have consistently topped energy companies. How does Mr. Obama decide who is making too much money? |
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![]() Why are you comparing fuel use with alternative power? Nothing is going to happen over night, but one is a step forward, the other is a step sideways... |
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Mr. Obama is saying "YES, WE CAN!" to delivering subsidies which inevitably go to rich multinational corporations in the Midwest, to grow corn. To run our vehicles rather than to feed us. "YES, WE CAN!" to coercing auto companies into increased fuel mileage standards, while the free market and consumers are already responding to this issue much earlier than Mr. Obama. "YES, WE CAN!" to punititive taxes on energy companies, who provide us with a vital resource, and operate in a world oil market, including booming economies like China and India. While other American industries are earning much higher profit margins than energy companies, we should levy additional taxes on big oil? Shouldn't we encourage more exploration, more innovation, more anything that would keep this economy moving? |
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Again, I want to vote for Obama, but his lack of substance on the energy issue has me worried. McCain has outlined a plan, that while isn't perfect, is something of substance that I think is a step in the right direction. |
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Secondly, how are we guaranteed lower prices? I see no provisions saying we're not going to sell at world price, you people are kidding yourselves thinking that is the answer. |
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The thing is McCain's supposedly clear-cut plan for what how he's "going to deal" with the energy crisis is really just campaign promises. There's only so much he CAN do anyway--he has to work with Congress.
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And I would say he is the more experienced candidate at working with Congress. Your statement is true for both of the candidates. |
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Everybody I know is extremely satisfied with their Prius. I have not heard one regret. They are hybrids, so they require less batteries than an all electric, carbon neutral car. McCain $300,000,000. prize for the killer app, a light weight- high power battery can give us a great benefit. That and the nuclear power plants are very practical in moving us off petroleum and towards carbon neutral. The repeal of the Federal moratorium on off-shore drilling. Would put it in the hands of the States. It would be up to the will of the people in the States. |
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I wouldn't dispute either statement. McCain has shown a willingness to cross the aisle in his years in the Senate. However, Obama has also demonstrated a willingness to do so as well--after all this is a guy that has talked about having Republicans on his cabinet. McCain has done it longer yes, but for me to vote for McCain I'd have to be convinced--among other things--that Obama was utterly incapable or highly unlikely to have the skills to work with Congress. If someone would care to make that argument, I'd be interested to hear it.
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Mr. Obama's policies are long-run sustainable, whereas Mr. McCain's are not. fossil fuels are not sustainable. they are finite. [q]Subsidizing corn to run our SUVs, rather than to feed the country? Has he been to the grocery store lately $$$$$ ? McCain does not support these subsidies or the shameless pandering to the Midwest.[/q] while i do believe that Obama is a bit too close to Big Corn formy taste, this misunderstands corn subsidies work. food isn't expensive because American farmers can't make enough, rather, they make far, far too much. Quote:
this is a good question, but it seems like taxes are a more realistic plan than McCain's glorified science fair. |
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