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ONE
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Terrorists, Freedom Fighters, Heroes...
...and postmodernism.
__________________Postmodernism, at least to me, signified the end of "truth," per se. Certainly, the idea of the freedom fighter/terrorist/hero is no different. George Washington, for instance, would likely have been the leader of a "terrorist organization" in the eyes of Great Britain. Perhaps, ultimately, this is why I almost feel that a "war on terrorism" is unwinable. You can kill people, but you can't kill ideas; and religion is enough of a reactionary vehicle for unquestioning complacency that it can never end. Will they jump off a bridge if their friend did it first? Not necessarily. Will they murder millions of people if God supposedly said to? Yes. War and violence will never end, because it is too much of an ingrained part of religion, which, in thousands and thousands of years, has really changed very little at the core. Thoughts? Melon |
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__________________War and violence will never end, because it is too much of an ingrained part of humankind, which, in thousands and thousands of years, has really changed very little at the core. |
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Fighting is the general human tendency.
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i agree with you about this:
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One Man's Terrorist is another Man's Revolutionary....That is an interesting point you bring up Melon. I have never really thought of Washington being a "terrorist" in the eyes of the British. If anything the early European settlers might have been considered "terrorists" by the Native Americans.
Like Lilly said...my point is not to agree with terrorist groups and what they believe in, just that Melon gave a different perspective or perception, something to think about.
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melon, have you read Daniel Quinn's "Ishmael"?
It's an interesting read into the "real" side of humanity, into how our cultural myths have shaped the way we abuse the world and ourselves. The basic contention is that humans now believe that evolution and purpose of the world concluded when modern man came on stage, and that very belief has caused our destruction, wars, starvation and ecological collapse. |
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...but that often seems to be a foreign language when you are dealing with making "holy warriors" saints. I am not anti-religious at heart, really, because I really do believe that love is (or should be) the real core of it. However, at least with our nature regarding religion, we seem to take the word of people 2000+ years ago most at heart, because we simply refused to accept further scripture. Medieval religious writings are markedly different from even the Biblical era. Yet, we seemingly cannot get over our violent ancestry, as encoded in scripture, whether it be Jesus coming not to bring peace, but to come with a sword (Gospel of Matthew) or Mohammed commanding the destruction of infidels. *sigh* Melon |
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It's been my observation and experience that while human technology has advanced greatly over the past several thousand years, the human mind, spirit, or nature has not. We're constantly finding new ways to express ourselves, and, for the most part, we're saying two opposing things:
1. You must die. 2. Play nice. I don't have time to get any deeper into the discussion, since I get off work in 2 minutes, but think about it. |
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Re: Terrorists, Freedom Fighters, Heroes...
This is a very interesting thread that you have started here Melon and does get ones mind thinking, so let me start here first;
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