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Old 12-20-2006, 01:29 PM   #1
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Normal Something I find rather disturbing

On the radio this morning, I heard the DJ's rallying for the local can drive for the food banks, as they always do. They listed places where the food should be taken, and one of these was the US Army recruiting office. They usually don't say a thing about that, but today they actually went into a semi-commercial for joining up, saying once you drop off your cans, the recruiters will give you all the info you need to make a decision on whether or not to join.

That is not exactly what I am upset about, though I do find it kind of morally wrong. The thing that is eating at me is that they also went on to tout how much money a person would get as a 'signing bonus', in some cases up to 50 grand! It made me think this is almost like 'buying' soldiers. Worse than that, it's almost like enticing poor families to feel that maybe one of their kids should be 'sold' to the US military in exchange for saving the rest! (or that the child him/herself would feel guilt tripped into this option)

Okay, I know that's not what they're saying, or implying, but come on, isn't that basically what it amounts to in many cases? Who joins up more than anyone but the poor, or those who live in places where they have little to no future or job prospects? Say there's a poor family with about 6 kids in the ghetto, or a dirt farm in Oklahoma, or in the desert of New Mexico, whose finances are grim and have no hope of improving. With one of the children joining up, the rest of the family could be better off. Of course there is a chance that he or she could be killed, but then it would just be written off as 'their sacrifice' and 'they'd have wanted it this way.' It's like a throwback to the days when little boys were more or less 'sold' to work on a ship in exchange for a sum that would help the rest of the family survive. Has it come to that? Can you see how it may look that way?
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Old 12-20-2006, 01:47 PM   #2
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You're spot on with that. Although, unfortunately, the military has been using those tactics for years. It worked on my dad and his brothers. It even worked on me (hehe, but I was too cool for them and I managed to get kicked out).

They specifically seek low-income residential areas and plug their hardest. When you take a drive through some of the poorer areas, take note of how many billboards, flyers, etc you see. And compare that to how many advertisements you see in the richer neighborhoods.

Instead of fixing the low-wage system that keeps the poor poor, the government specifically targets the children of these low-wage employees, telling them that this is they only way out.
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Old 12-20-2006, 01:53 PM   #3
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That's exactly how it works. I don't know many people who joined up (outside of westpoint, with the intention of becoming officers) who weren't in need, most for money for college.

And what's really unfortunate is that the military families really need to food drive as most can't make ends meet with the measly wages they are living on. Their moms and dads are dying in Iraq and we aren't taking care of the kids they've left behind.
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Bush just annonced this morning he wants a larger military...
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So you find it immoral to offer signing bonuses for joining up for the military?
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So you find it immoral to offer signing bonuses for joining up for the military?
Did you read the posts?


It's the target audiences for the "bonuses" that are a problem for some people; the way the recruiting's done.
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Did you read the posts?


It's the target audiences for the "bonuses" that are a problem for some people; the way the recruiting's done.
Reminds me of the traditional missionaries: a Bible in one hand and a plate of food in the other.
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Reminds me of the traditional missionaries: a Bible in one hand and a plate of food in the other.
Some of college professors from India called the converts "Rice Christians."
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Bush just annonced this morning he wants a larger military...
Snigger. It's like the man and the size of his engine being compensation...nevermind.

I'm still struggling the revelation you guys have up to $50,000 signing bonus for joining the forces. I dont quite know where to start with the faults in that.
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Old 12-20-2006, 05:19 PM   #10
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I'm still struggling the revelation you guys have up to $50,000 signing bonus for joining the forces. I dont quite know where to start with the faults in that.
Its crap too. You wouldn't think it'd be too hard to get it since it is a signing bonus, but I've had friends who wrestled back and forth with people for ages just trying to get that promised money. They were told over and over there were issues with the paperwork, and kept passing the blame.
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It sounds a little like bribery to me. That annoys me.
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Its crap too. You wouldn't think it'd be too hard to get it since it is a signing bonus, but I've had friends who wrestled back and forth with people for ages just trying to get that promised money. They were told over and over there were issues with the paperwork, and kept passing the blame.
That would be illegal in private enterprise. God bless your government.
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God bless your government.
That's what we say everyday.
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Old 12-20-2006, 08:30 PM   #14
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Only cause you 'have' to!
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Old 12-20-2006, 08:42 PM   #15
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The Army kept every promise it ever made to me. I have no complaints. I needed the money, the army needed me.
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ugh.
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That would be illegal in private enterprise. God bless your government.
....except health insurance God bless our government
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Old 12-20-2006, 09:52 PM   #18
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Uncle Sam's no fool! He tells you he wants you and then says he'll give you 50k if you join. If you join, mission accomplished. As a citizen, you can certainly say no. When there's no war, Uncle Sam doesn't need to use these tactics. I was a senior in High School during the first Gulf War and Uncle Sam called me several times and asked me to join up. I told them no thanks, but they wanted to know my plans for the future anyway. I didn't get offered any money though.
BTW, for those that don't know, Uncle Sam is slang for the United States.
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Old 12-20-2006, 11:24 PM   #19
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Ya know what's funny? I was also hounded by recruiters. Then I told them to STFU b/c I *was* going into the military, but through ROTC. Those dudes STILL kept buggin! "We'll pay for your school too :blah:" I was like "SUCKA, you'll pay later. These guys pay NOW!" They just didn't know when to quit. All these guys wanted was enlisted folk, and they wanted them NOW. They didn't care about me personally, or my goals to go to college after high school.
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Old 12-21-2006, 05:38 AM   #20
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I have total repect for the man who recruited me. He did more for me than my high school guidance department. He helped me out when I returned home from boot camp.

I hate blanket statements.

There are bad people no matter what the profession.
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