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Old 12-16-2007, 02:31 AM   #181
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Like most of the Republican voters.
That wasn't necessary. My feelings aren't just hurt, they've been punched in the face and shot six times in the crotch.
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Old 12-16-2007, 03:59 AM   #182
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Like most of the Republican voters.
I'm a Republican voter and i'm not even Christian, let alone radical Christian. I doubt most Republican voters are like that.
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Well, then isn't it time for the real Republicans to start taking back their party?

eta: It's easy for me to make the statement I made when I see the Republicans falling all over each other to see who is more Christian that the other.
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Well, then isn't it time for the real Republicans to start taking back their party?

That is exactly what we are trying to do through Ron Paul. We've raised $3,000,000 this week and almost $15,000,000 for the quarter so far. Trying the best we can.

Here is a Ron Paul quote about religion and particularly to the recent attacks on Mitt Romney for his religion:

“Our nation was founded to be a place where religion is freely practiced and differences are tolerated and respected. I come to my faith through Jesus Christ and have accepted him as my personal savior. At the same time, I have worked tirelessly to defend and restore individual rights and religious freedom for all Americans.

The recent attacks and insinuations, both direct and subtle, that Gov. Romney may be less fit to serve as president of our United States because of his faith fly in the face of everything America stands for. Gov. Romney should be judged fairly, on his record and his character, not on the church he attends.”
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UPDATE: We've just hit $15,000,000 and crossed it by a couple hundred thousand.
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Here is a Ron Paul quote about religion and particularly to the recent attacks on Mitt Romney for his religion:

“.... I come to my faith through Jesus Christ and have accepted him as my personal savior....”
Why should a Republican candidate even have to mention Jesus?! I think you may have just proved my point.
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I completely agree with Huckabee's assessment of Bush's foreign policy being arrogant. What the heck would most people call it, humble? Don't know exactly what he means by "bunker". I applaud him for being a Republican who has the courage to speak out like that, even though I disagree with many of his other views and comments.

I wonder where Mitt's depth is in dealing with other nations. The Olympics?
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That is exactly what we are trying to do through Ron Paul. We've raised $3,000,000 this week and almost $15,000,000 for the quarter so far. Trying the best we can.

Here is a Ron Paul quote about religion and particularly to the recent attacks on Mitt Romney for his religion:

“Our nation was founded to be a place where religion is freely practiced and differences are tolerated and respected. I come to my faith through Jesus Christ and have accepted him as my personal savior. At the same time, I have worked tirelessly to defend and restore individual rights and religious freedom for all Americans.

The recent attacks and insinuations, both direct and subtle, that Gov. Romney may be less fit to serve as president of our United States because of his faith fly in the face of everything America stands for. Gov. Romney should be judged fairly, on his record and his character, not on the church he attends.”
Brilliant little quote there. Definitely like the man, and glad I voted for him in the Interference primary.
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Why should a Republican candidate even have to mention Jesus?! I think you may have just proved my point.
You pulled out one line from his quote and used it against him while not mentioning the context in which it was said in. That is very misinformative to a person who did not read the Congressman's original quote. Let me explain to you what he was trying to say.

In that quote, Ron Paul is basically saying that Mitt Romney's faith shouldn't even be a topic or be questioned and that he should be judged based on his actions as a politician, not based on his faith. He also said that even though he himself believes in Jesus, he's worked very hard in letting people have their own religious freedom becasue that is what this country was founded on. So he is not a radical Christian and he certainly does not enforce his beliefs on the nation.

So no, I don't think I proved your point that all Republican voters are radical Christians.
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Brilliant little quote there. Definitely like the man, and glad I voted for him in the Interference primary.
$18,000,000+ raised this quarter. Sure to hit $20 million before the end of the quarter.

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In that quote, Ron Paul is basically saying that Mitt Romney's faith shouldn't even be a topic or be questioned and that he should be judged based on his actions as a politician, not based on his faith. He also said that even though he himself believes in Jesus, he's worked very hard in letting people have their own religious freedom becasue that is what this country was founded on. So he is not a radical Christian and he certainly does not enforce his beliefs on the nation.

I understood the message. But why are the Republicans always making sure everyone knows how Christian they are?


Could he have talked about religious freedom without reassuring everyone that he was a Christian? Or would that cost him votes?
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So...Ron Paul

should we change the title of the thread?
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He's going to be on Larry King tonight. Not that Larry will actually come up with any good questions...
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I understood the message. But why are the Republicans always making sure everyone knows how Christian they are?


Could he have talked about religious freedom without reassuring everyone that he was a Christian? Or would that cost him votes?
He was merely saying that even though he is a Christian he wants to make sure that all people are given freedom.

I understand that many Republicans use their Christian faith in a way to get votes but that certainly isn't Ron Paul. I can't find the link but there is a video interview regarding the Mitt Romney Mormon situation on RonPaul2008.com in which Ron Paul says that it is inappropriate to talk or ask questions about faith in debates because that should not be an issue no matter what.

Also, he strongly believes in personal liberties. He believes that homosexuals should be given all the rights of heterosexuals. He was asked about gays in the military in one of the debates and his answer was something like this (not a direct quote):

"If people were having homosexual relations in the military and the policy is that those actions are intolerable, then the same policy should be used for people having heterosexual relations in the military. Everyones individual liberties should be equal."

Now everyone knows that a majority of Christian Republicans are against gay marriage or gays serving in the military. However Ron Paul is not like that. So I don't think he trying to attract the Christian vote. I think he just says what he believes is right.
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So...Ron Paul

should we change the title of the thread?
Nah, lets just make a new thread.
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He was merely saying that even though he is a Christian he wants to make sure that all people are given freedom.
It's just too bad he felt he had to assure his voter base that he is indeed Christian.
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Also, he strongly believes in personal liberties.
With one glaring exception.
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It's just too bad he felt he had to assure his voter base that he is indeed Christian.
I do agree with martha here-if I were a candidate and were asked about my religious beliefs, I would just say, "That's not really any of your business", because it's not, and it's irrelevant to the issues at hand.

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I think its too bad that we have to be tolorant of everything and anything the left feels we should tolerate, but the second anyone calls themself a Christian all that tolerance goes out the window.

I think it a shame democrats have to announce they are pro choice all the time to secure their fan base.
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I think it a shame democrats have to announce they are pro choice all the time to secure their fan base.
I don't get that sense at all. In fact it seems they'd rather not talk about it. They affirm it and move on hoping not to have to comment on the topic. It is certainly NOTHING akin to the constant religious references on the right.
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I think its too bad that we have to be tolorant of everything and anything the left feels we should tolerate, but the second anyone calls themself a Christian all that tolerance goes out the window.

I agree, but do you really think it's just the calling themselves part that irks people?
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