1stepcloser said:can't believe that bumbling fool got voted in. he is quite funny though. i'll give him that.
partygirlvox said:
I'm sure his racist and elitist views will still be funny after four years of running the capital city.
vaz02 said:
He has apologized for those remarks, and im sure 1stepcloser wasnt refering to those statements.
partygirlvox said:
But I don't think the fact that Boris Johnson is funny gives people any reason to vote for him.
A_Wanderer said:I think that Red Ken allying himself with Hugo Chavez and Yusaf al Quaradawi would be reason enough to at least stay at home.
vaz02 said:
It baffles me too, the guy has never held down office so how people felt fit to vote for him beats me. Ken's arrogance costed him.
vaz02 said:The local elections of a whole was a vote against labour/ Brown rather than a vote for a conservative government however Cameron wants to portray it as a vote of confidence in his leadership.
The hardcore labour supporter has been disillusioned, we dont want a tory government despite what these results say.
If labour want to win the next General election they must oust Brown and instate either Andrew Johnson or Jack Straw as Labour leader / Prime Minister.
If brown wants to stay in he must hope the economy sorts itself out within the 2 years, cut tax and hope for a war similar to what saved Thatchers premiership, how does Zimbabwe sound ?
I'd rather vote BNP than let those in the old boys club govern this country again.
Labour must change if they want to stay in employment, and they will fight tooth and nail to stay on the gravy chain tax payers have provided.
partygirlvox said:
I think it's all completely Brown's fault - especially this with the 10p tax rate. Not even Tony Blair brought the party so low, and they did to get rid of Brown or things are just going to get worse for them.
I don't understand the british public though. They've obviously just forgotten how worse everything was with the tories. I'd sooner leave the country than have a tory government.
But I think I'd sooner die than have a bnp government.
partygirlvox said:They've obviously just forgotten how worse everything was with the tories.
Unfortunately, those in charge have left the windows open and the shutters up. At a time when the country needs competent management, the Prime Minister is presiding over unimaginable state-sponsored profligacy.
The scale of lost resources is set out in impressive, albeit depressing, detail by David Craig in his latest book, Squandered - How Gordon Brown is wasting over one trillion pounds of our money*.
Craig is a former management consultant whose previous work, Plundering the Public Sector, lifted the lid on the way private-sector consultants get their teeth into publicly funded projects and suck out billions in fees. His thesis was that Blair's and Brown's New Labour had been "taken in" by greedy, self-serving consultants who bamboozle civil servants with techno-speak.
Though harsh on Labour's gullibility, Plundering, published in 2006, stopped short of accusing Downing Street's most senior residents of defrauding the country.
Their crime, as such, was to allow consultancy parasites to drain about £70bn from public services for precious little in return.
"The disaster is not the result of some kind of conspiracy," Craig concluded. "Behind closed doors, New Labour politicians are probably as uncomprehending and disappointed at what has happened as anyone else."
In Squandered, the author's analysis has moved on. There is no doubt over who's to blame for the mess we are in. Brown is not a victim; he is the culprit.
Not only has money been blown on an eye-popping scale, the Government operates a relentless programme of deception to cover up blunders.
Department by department, Craig unpicks Labour's hoopla to reveal what happens when devious ministers inhale their own exhaust. Readers with heart problems, high blood pressure or a susceptibility to violent headaches should think twice before dipping in to this book. The facts are infuriating.
In 10 years, Labour has spent about £1trillion - that's £1,000,000,000,000 - more than would have been the case, inflation adjusted, if government spending had been held at 1997-98 levels. That's about £50,000 for every household. Education has received an extra £185bn, health an additional £269bn and welfare, ie, social security benefits, £343bn more
partygirlvox said:.but because of the Oxford university educated assholes at the top, they've avoided getting caught.
I hate 'Dave' but I can't see him doing that (actually, I don't know...)
vaz02 said:i just cant stomach their attitude and that old public school boy image.
financeguy said:
Sorry, but this just reads like class war drivel to me.
Of the small number of Oxford educated people I have met, I don't consider any of them 'assholes'. Most, incidentally, were from very ordinary lower middle class backgrounds.
deep said:
is this an "old school boy" image?
vaz02 said:Some things you might find of some interest about Cameron.
Three members of his shadow cabinet and 15 members of his front bench are old Etonians. David Cameron has more Etonians around him than any leader since Macmillan, represent Britain from such a narrow base ?
David and Samantha Cameron are valaued at £30 mill +.
vaz02 said:I have no problem with the middle class as long as they stop pretending to know the working classes problems because they simply dont. The phrase daddys gonna pay for your crashed car springs to mind old boy.
vaz02 said:This is how i see the definitions of class.
Middle class: I believe those from a middle class background have to an extend financial independence compared to those from the working class. Your average middle class citizen generally lives in the suburbs of the towns and may be a professional such as a doctor, universicty educator or lawyer or another profession of high responsibility. Those in the middle class socialize within their own circle and largely look down on the lower class blue coloured workers. The middle class like to pretend to listen to classical music and understand the works of shakespear. Many parents often feel the need to ship their children of to boarding school or public school to broaden their childs education. The middle class have have deluded aspirations of grandeur which often portrays them as snobby.
Working class: The working class are often the worst effected by increases in tax as they the lowest paid and have the least economic independence out of the three classes. The working class are your john smiths or joe bloggs who keep the country ticking, they drive your buses, police your streets, file your mail, fight your fires, keep the shelves stacked etc etc. Due to the limitations of wealth it is often hard to brake from this social class but not impossible. The working class like TV and think terry Wogan is one hell of a guy, we dont lie about are overuse of porn and we dont pretend to like books, we enjoy reading.
Its not healthy because like in Russia it sparked a revolution but its a fact of life and this social spectrum still dominates life today as much as it did two centuries ago.
partygirlvox said:
I'm not referring to 'oxford educated' people in general, I'm referring to Nick Griffin and other specific people (..who happen to be very educated and able to get their highly racist party out of tight situations with the law).
Don't label something as 'class war drivel' when you seem to have little understanding of it. The majority of the BNP supporters seem to be misinformed working class people, so this has nothing to do with social status as I would refer to myself as working class too.