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Old 03-22-2010, 02:40 PM   #441
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what's also pretty fucking brilliant is that Obamacare is just about the same as Romneycare in Massachusetts.

seeing that Mittens is, at this juncture, the presumptive GOP nominee, he'll now be forced to literally run against his own record.

there's that Obama judo for you again.

as ever, it's chess, not checkers.
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Old 03-22-2010, 02:53 PM   #442
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so people who voted for change - Obama

just got a Romney that can shoot hoops ?
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I found this amusing. A Ticket for Rush It's a website raising money to buy Rush Limbaugh a one way first class ticket to Costa Rica. If he doesn't take it, the money will be donated to Planned Parenthood.
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so people who voted for change - Obama

just got a Romney that can shoot hoops ?


and was an advocate for gay rights ... in Massachusetts, at least.

remember, Romney is whatever you want him to be.
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I found this amusing. A Ticket for Rush It's a website raising money to buy Rush Limbaugh a one way first class ticket to Costa Rica. If he doesn't take it, the money will be donated to Planned Parenthood.
lol. That's funny.
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and was an advocate for gay rights ... in Massachusetts, at least.

remember, Romney is whatever you want him to be.
I was thinking about that, too.

DADT was supposed to be repealed by now.

Obama was many things to many different people.


Obama and Romney are more similar that you may want to admit.
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I was thinking about that, too.

DADT was supposed to be repealed by now.

Obama was many things to many different people.


Obama and Romney are more similar that you may want to admit.



in that both men are politicians, yes.

and, yes, Obama is well aware that many people look at him and see what they want to see. i think that's a distinction to be made in comparison to the oleaginous Romney.
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Randy Neugebauer (R-Tex.) identified himself as the member of Congress who shouted "baby killer" during Rep. Bart Stupak's (D-Mich.) speech on the floor of the House of Representatives Sunday night.

Neugebauer, a three-term member of Congress from Texas, issued a statement of apology on Monday, saying that the statement was not directed at Stupak.

"In the heat and emotion of the debate, I exclaimed the phrase 'it's a baby killer' in reference to the agreement reached by the Democratic leadership," Neugebauer said. "I deeply regret that my actions were mistakenly interpreted as a direct reference to Congressman Stupak himself.

Here is the Texas Republican's statement of apology:

"Last night was the climax of weeks and months of debate on a health care bill that my constituents fear and do not support. In the heat and emotion of the debate, I exclaimed the phrase 'it's a baby killer' in reference to the agreement reached by the Democratic leadership. While I remain heartbroken over the passage of this bill and the tragic consequences it will have for the unborn, I deeply regret that my actions were mistakenly interpreted as a direct reference to Congressman Stupak himself.


"I have apologized to Mr. Stupak and also apologize to my colleagues for the manner in which I expressed my disappointment about the bill. The House Chamber is a place of decorum and respect. The timing and tone of my comment last night was inappropriate."

House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-S.C.) acknowledged Neugebauer's mea culpa on Monday, but suggested that the Texas Republican needed to apologize to the full House.


"He needs to go to the well," Clyburn said, according to Roll Call. "He disrupted the decorum of the House of Representatives."

Neugebauer's outburst came at the end of an intense day of debate and voting on the health care reform bill. Stupak, an anti-abortion Democrat who struck a deal with the White House in exchange for a "yes" vote on the bill, had taken to the floor of the House to deliver a speech opposing a Republican amendment that would have reintroduced stricter abortion financing language in the bill -- language that Stupak, himself, previously introduced.

It was during Stupak's remarks that the shout, "baby killer" was heard in the chamber. The shouter was not immediately identified, but reporters and members of Congress confirmed that it came from the Republican side of the House.
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how does the bill kill babies anyway?
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Federal funding for abortion that allegedly could happen with this bill-but Obama has agreed to sign an executive order that is supposed to prevent that. That's how the Democrats got Stupak and the other pro life Democrats to vote for the bill yesterday. The Republicans say that an executive order is meaningless in the face of this bill that becomes law-and maybe some of the Democrats who voted no felt that way too.
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who's is kidding who here

the anti-reform people knew that Stupak and his followers were their only chance of stopping this.

his last minute move, because he got the Hyde language he wanted, made them lose their minds.
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what's also pretty fucking brilliant is that Obamacare is just about the same as Romneycare in Massachusetts.

seeing that Mittens is, at this juncture, the presumptive GOP nominee, he'll now be forced to literally run against his own record.

there's that Obama judo for you again.

as ever, it's chess, not checkers.
RomneyCare will be hung around Mitt's neck like an albatross.

Nothing official here, but if Paul Ryan runs... he'll be the nominee in 2012. He was nothing short of brilliant in the health care summit, the rules meetings and on the House floor. It was fun flirting with Sarah but the landscape just changed.
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Except no one in the GOP will get behind his ownership society.
W put it out there and it sank like a rock.
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I can't defriend my cousins. But I can ignore their friends. Especially the two that have made gun references. I can't stand Pelosi either, but mentioning that a .45 is the first thought that comes to your head when you see her face is just a tad deranged.
Same with "I'm gonna buy my 9 millimeter insurance policy this weekend."

Who are you gonna shoot? Doctors? IDGI.
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They're not my friends, I don't even know them, but I'm not the reporting type anyway.

They'll regret what they said one day.
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Oh by the way, tacked onto the bill is the provision to completely nationalize the student loan program.

[sarcasm alert] Exactly the type of private enterprise, free-market-driven solution we've come to expect from this president and his radically pro-capitalist agenda.

Looks like it's going to actually save the guv'mint some money. Too bad.

Student aid overhaul passes House - latimes.com

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Eliminating the middleman would save the government an estimated $61 billion over the next decade.
And let the undeserving poor attend those liberal colleges and become educated elitists.

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About $36 billion of that would be used to increase so-called Pell grants for lower-income students. The legislation also allocates $2.5 billion to historically black colleges, $2 billion to community colleges
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and at least $10 billion to reduce the federal deficit.
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abortion should be the states rights, period not the feds.
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abortion should be the states rights, period not the feds.
Please, do not turn this in an abortion thread (or it'll probably be closed quickly). Besides, from what I understand nothing has changed with respect to the situation before ObamaCare so it's not worth derailing the thread.
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Nothing official here, but if Paul Ryan runs... he'll be the nominee in 2012. He was nothing short of brilliant in the health care summit, the rules meetings and on the House floor. It was fun flirting with Sarah but the landscape just changed.


first, i'm glad you're dumping Sarah.

and interesting about Ryan, and interesting to see what's going to happen with Mittens. we should have a clear idea of the field in about a year.
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and this thread is worth a read:

http://www.u2interference.com/forums...nce-89761.html
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