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Old 09-17-2008, 12:24 PM   #921
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no, i didn't say that. but continue to put words in my mouth. it's the only way you're going to get anywhere with your thinking.
Well, then at what point did Obama become qualified or prepared to be President in your opinion? Give us at least the year.



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what does this have to do with anything at all?
List all the people you want to who have expressed some concern or for whom Sarah Palin was not their first pick for VP including myself.

Unless it changes how they will actually vote on November 4 its not really relevant.
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So your saying the qualifications to be Vice President of the United States are higher than the qualifications to actually be President?

Remember, the issue here is not that Sarah Palin has less experience than this person or that person, its the false claim that her experience or level of being prepared is not enough to qualify her to even be Vice President or President of the United States.

i am saying that a responsible pick for the VP -- as evidenced since the beginning of this country -- is that it is someone who is qualified and experienced enough to take over the presidency should they have to. yes, in many ways the "experience" required of a VP might be higher than that of a president, but not everyone lives in as rigid a world as you do. people like Kennedy, for example, might have been young and untested and relatively inexperienced, but their vision was compelling enough for them to win votes in the primary and then in the general election. and they usually choose VPs who are deeply experienced (like LBJ).

you are right. the issue is that Sarah Palin's experience has not prepared her to be VP or President. it hasn't. it's been amply demonstrated in her one, single interview, in her short record as governor of Alaska, and in her total lack of any engagement with national issues prior to August 29th, 2008.
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Well, then at what point did Obama become qualified or prepared to be President in your opinion? Give us at least the year.


i told you: June 4, 2008.

he convinced more than 18m people that he would make the best candidate for the presidency.

of course, those of us who live in the real world know that life doesn't lend itself to such black-and-white thinking, but i'm willing to play along because it's a fascinating trainwreck of logic you've got going on here.
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i am saying that a responsible pick for the VP -- as evidenced since the beginning of this country -- is that it is someone who is qualified and experienced enough to take over the presidency should they have to. yes, in many ways the "experience" required of a VP might be higher than that of a president, but not everyone lives in as rigid a world as you do. people like Kennedy, for example, might have been young and untested and relatively inexperienced, but their vision was compelling enough for them to win votes in the primary and then in the general election. and they usually choose VPs who are deeply experienced (like LBJ).

you are right. the issue is that Sarah Palin's experience has not prepared her to be VP or President. it hasn't. it's been amply demonstrated in her one, single interview, in her short record as governor of Alaska, and in her total lack of any engagement with national issues prior to August 29th, 2008.
If you really think the qualifications for Vice President are higher than the qualifications for President, please explain.

What national issues was Tim Kaine engaged in prior to Obama running for President?

What would Sarah Palin need to do in order to actually reach the level of being qualified to be President in your view, since at this time you claim that she is not qualified?
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Im sure Tawana Brawley agrees with you:
Swallow your pride and give up, you're just digging a hole. If the individual was forced to pay for their own rape kit then what is going to stop them from going to individuals with an agenda and falsifying information? Open your eyes, take off the partisan blinders and swallow that fact that she's wrong.
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Old 09-17-2008, 12:39 PM   #926
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i told you: June 4, 2008.

he convinced more than 18m people that he would make the best candidate for the presidency.

of course, those of us who live in the real world know that life doesn't lend itself to such black-and-white thinking, but i'm willing to play along because it's a fascinating trainwreck of logic you've got going on here.
Then your saying you knowingly voted for someone in the primaries who you felt was not qualified, at that time, to be President.

Do you think Obama was qualified and prepared to be President on February 10, 2007 when he announced he was running for President? Do you think a citizen should first be qualified and prepared to hold a particular office before they actually start to campaign for that office?
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What, Palin is against the establishment?

Is she a communist?
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Swallow your pride and give up, you're just digging a hole. If the individual was forced to pay for their own rape kit then what is going to stop them from going to individuals with an agenda and falsifying information? Open your eyes, take off the partisan blinders and swallow that fact that she's wrong.
i think paying for a rape kit ads as a deterrent to false accusations of rape-which are huge these days-by your own allusion.

i think you're also underestimating the strength of womanhood, and women working together.

believe if a woman feels she's raped now a days, she will find a way to fork over the money to prove it.


it's ok, we can agree to disagree here as we do the majority of the time-civilly.

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If you really think the qualifications for Vice President are higher than the qualifications for President, please explain.

i think they are different qualifications.


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What national issues was Tim Kaine engaged in prior to Obama running for President?

Tim Kaine was not selected to be Obama's running mate.

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What would Sarah Palin need to do in order to actually reach the level of being qualified to be President in your view, since at this time you claim that she is not qualified?

in her next term as governor, she can give us a coherent statement on foreign policy. if you can find one given before August 29, 2008, i'd love to hear it.
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Then your saying you knowingly voted for someone in the primaries who you felt was not qualified, at that time, to be President.

i voted for someone who i felt would be the best candidate for president for a variety of factors.

i'm sorry the world doesn't work the way you want it to.



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Do you think Obama was qualified and prepared to be President on February 10, 2007 when he announced he was running for President? Do you think a citizen should first be qualified and prepared to hold a particular office before they actually start to campaign for that office?

i think Obama felt he was qualified and prepared to be president on February 10, 2007, and he spent the following 18 months convincing the Democrats that he was. and it turns out that he was right.
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believe if a woman feels she's raped now a days, she will find a way to fork over the money to prove it.

i'm sorry, but this has to be one of the worst sentences i've read on FYM.
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believe if a woman feels she's raped now a days, she will find a way to fork over the money to prove it.
diamond, what other crime do you know of where the victim is required to pay for the costs of the police investigation?
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What, Palin is against the establishment?

Is she a communist?
No, she's a secessionist.

Oh, wait - no - she just sleeps with one.
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we all do know the reason why Palin wants the victim to pay for the rape kit, right?

i'll give you a hint: initials "M" "A" and "P."
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You've hit a new low, dbs.

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believe if a woman feels she's raped now a days, she will find a way to fork over the money to prove it.
So if, God forbid, one of your daughters was raped tomorrow, you think that she or you should be the one to pay for the kit so that people won't think she's lying?

And here I thought it was it was the police's job to protect and serve, especially the victims of a horrible crime.
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i think paying for a rape kit ads as a deterrent to false accusations of rape-which are huge these days-by your own allusion.
diamond, I think that´s a bad argument. Not only what Irvine & yolland said but also
Because:
1) give me the number of false accusations vs. right ones, since you bring up the argument have you bothered to find the statistics?
2) even if you were right, it only serves as an argument to test all accusations to find out which ones, if any, are false
3) to pay to prove you´re a victim when you´re a victim is wrong. also , rape is a worse crime than stealing something or robbing,
come on diamond if you were robbed and had to pay the police in order to prove you were robbed, you seriously have to question the availability of the executive powers for you as a citizen
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believe if a woman feels she's raped now a days, she will find a way to fork over the money to prove it.


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That is disgusting Dave. Others have asked you this repeatedly, but what other crime victim has to pay to prove they were victimized? Why rape?
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i think paying for a rape kit ads as a deterrent to false accusations of rape-which are huge these days-by your own allusion.

i think you're also underestimating the strength of womanhood, and women working together.

believe if a woman feels she's raped now a days, she will find a way to fork over the money to prove it.


it's ok, we can agree to disagree here as we do the majority of the time-civilly.

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Why do you people indulge a clown of this magnitude? I mean, come on, re-read this post. Either he's:

1) Completely jerking your chain to get a reaction, which is sad enough.

or

2) Believes what he says, which makes him a worse person than I already deemed him to be. Republican, Democrat, left, right, whatever, this is a loathsome post.

What a fucking joke.
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i voted for someone who i felt would be the best candidate for president for a variety of factors.

i'm sorry the world doesn't work the way you want it to.






i think Obama felt he was qualified and prepared to be president on February 10, 2007, and he spent the following 18 months convincing the Democrats that he was. and it turns out that he was right.
The question was, do you think Obama was qualified and prepared to be president on February 10, 2007? I didn't ask you what Obama thought, or what he did over the next 18 months, I'm asking you if you think he was qualified and prepared on February 10, 2007.
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diamond, what other crime do you know of where the victim is required to pay for the costs of the police investigation?


Seriously, I would like to know this as well..
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