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Old 07-03-2003, 02:38 PM   #21
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"Don't you find it more appalling that soldiers are conditioned to rationalise it? Wanting to shoot kids? Doesn't that alarm you at all? Whether they did it or not is not the point. Alot of the comments are very Vietnamesque in the whole 'the only solution is to kill em all' logic these soldiers are left with after being gutted of their sense of decency by military training and rationalisation."

I'm sorry, but I don't think you understand military training. It does not gut you of your sense of decency, if any thing it improves and reinforces it. As far as the comments, did you ever wonder what it would be like if everyone was recorded during the most intense and difficult points of their life? I wonder what one might let slip out of their mouth if they had not slept for days, were hungery, suited up in 115 degree heat and constantly being shot at. Saying something at a particular point, especially perhaps being misquoted or having the quote being taken out of context, is not as nearly important as ones actions.
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mmm so they don't brutalise in boot camp anymore? Its also quite unreasonable to suggest that every time you hear something you don't like that the journalist has misquoted or taken something out of context. Journalists are constantly dealing with people who ARE facing the most stressful time in their lives. Court cases, crime, controversy. Just because this is war doesn't mean soldiers get a free pass to say (or do!) whatever they want. Just imagine if, I dunno, some judge was quoted as saying he felt like killing a defendant. Not good.
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well said brettig. its madness.
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mmm so they don't brutalise in boot camp anymore? Nope, at least not under your definition. As far as the journalist taking things out of context, reporting one thing and not another, and mis-qouting things, it may not happen all the time, but it happens incredibly often. To often, journalist sound so uninformed and unintelligent when it comes to reporting about military issues and events. Not all journalist though.

"Just because this is war doesn't mean soldiers get a free pass to say (or do!) whatever they want."

Soldiers understand that they don't get a free pass to do anything they want in war. But were talking about "words" not "actions". They understand the value of "freedom of speach", their in part defending it with their lives, while the journalist profits from it.
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Soldiers understand that they don't get a free pass to do anything they want in war. But were talking about "words" not "actions". They understand the value of "freedom of speach", their in part defending it with their lives, while the journalist profits from it.
Most of the time the soldiers are telling, i can say anything without the permision of my officer,...

Soldiers and freedom of speach,...
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"Most of the time the soldiers are telling, i can say anything without the permision of my officer,..."

"Soldiers and freedom of speach,..."

Thats for operational security reasons. But soldiers will often express how they feel and what they think to their officers given the proper speach, context, and forum. Communication between all ranks and branches on just about everything is key, to a well functioning military unit.
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Rono,

"Most of the time the soldiers are telling, i can say anything without the permision of my officer,..."

"Soldiers and freedom of speach,..."

Thats for operational security reasons. But soldiers will often express how they feel and what they think to their officers given the proper speach, context, and forum. Communication between all ranks and branches on just about everything is key, to a well functioning military unit.

I do not mean tactical information,....
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nice sig, rono. why not make the entire world red white and blue...it pretty much already is.
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nice sig, rono. why not make the entire world red white and blue...it pretty much already is.
I do not want to destroy the illusions of freedom that the rest of the world have.


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