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Old 12-17-2011, 07:03 PM   #921
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Old 12-17-2011, 10:42 PM   #922
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Appearing on "The Tonight Show with Jay Leno" on Friday night, Ron Paul was asked to run down the list of his fellow Republican presidential candidates to give his impressions. It was pretty tame until he got to Michele Bachmann. "She hates Muslims," Paul said, giving Leno the sort of look one uses when describing a bigoted great uncle who's set in his ways. "She wants to go get 'em." Paul also tagged former senator Rick Santorum with the same label. When Leno suggested all Santorum wants to do is "talk about gay people," Paul added, "and Muslims."

...Meanwhile, the guy who is accusing Bachmann of hating Muslims has had his own run-ins with hateful speech. Recall the 2008 furor over James Kirchik's article for The New Republic about the newsletters published under Ron Paul's name over twenty years. They, among other delights, compared black people to "animals," called Martin Luther King Jr. a pedophile, and warned of imminent race war. Paul's campaign rebutted the criticism in 2008 by saying that the offensive material in those newsletters, which dated to the 1980s, were not written by Paul, and that he didn't see them before they were published; Kirchik, who quickly became a target of scorn for Paul's supporters, said the campaign had changed its story about Paul's authorship of some of those memos.
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Old 12-18-2011, 06:03 PM   #923
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Gingrich would defy the Supreme Court rulings he opposed. Also, he wants to abolish courts who make decisions he doesn't agree with either. Then he invoked Jefferson and Lincoln. Ugh.

Newt Gingrich says he'd defy Supreme Court rulings he opposed - latimes.com
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Will the Republican candidate that isn't a complete hypocrite please stand up?
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Old 12-18-2011, 06:20 PM   #925
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Will the Republican Presidential candidate that isn't a complete hypocrite please stand up?
Fixed it.

They are all hypocrites, but this current crop of Republicans take it to an entirely new level. Then you add some crazy and well, there needs to be a reality show.
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Old 12-18-2011, 06:42 PM   #926
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Fixed it.

They are all hypocrites, but this current crop of Republicans take it to an entirely new level. Then you add some crazy and well, there needs to be a reality show.
I agree, almost every single politician you can find some hypocrisy in their career, but this batch of Republicans seem to be defined by it. Especially on the Tea Party side, it seems to be part of their platform.
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wow. that was quick. the Republican establishment can and will and did tear Gingrich to pieces, which isn't a difficult thing to do:


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Newt Gingrich's campaign is rapidly imploding, and Ron Paul has now taken the lead in Iowa. He's at 23% to 20% for Mitt Romney, 14% for Gingrich, 10% each for Rick Santorum, Michele Bachmann, and Rick Perry, 4% for Jon Huntsman, and 2% for Gary Johnson.

Gingrich has now seen a big drop in his Iowa standing two weeks in a row. His share of the vote has gone from 27% to 22% to 14%. And there's been a large drop in his personal favorability numbers as well from +31 (62/31) to +12 (52/40) to now -1 (46/47). Negative ads over the last few weeks have really chipped away at Gingrich's image as being a strong conservative- now only 36% of voters believe that he has 'strong principles,' while 43% think he does not.

Paul's ascendancy is a sign that perhaps campaigns do matter at least a little, in a year where there has been a lot of discussion about whether they still do in Iowa. 22% of voters think he's run the best campaign in the state compared to only 8% for Gingrich and 5% for Romney. The only other candidate to hit double digits on that question is Bachmann at 19%. Paul also leads Romney 26-5 (with Gingrich at 13%) with the 22% of voters who say it's 'very important' that a candidate spends a lot of time in Iowa. Finally Paul leads Romney 29-19 among the 26% of likely voters who have seen one of the candidates in person.

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And according to the RCP average, Newt's lost 10 points in a week in Iowa.

If Romney is simply destined not to win Iowa, I'm all for Paul winning. Have Romney come in 2nd back a few points, and Gingrich a bit further down from that, which is what some of the latest polls show. Romney wins NH by double digits with Paul or Huntsman a distant second, and consecutive 3rd-places will finish off Newt.
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this is good news for Romney, no doubt.

however, Ron Paul is going to play much, much better in libertarian NH than in religious nut land Iowa, but then he'd probably pull whatever support Huntsman has.

going to be interesting.
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Ron Paul appears to be the spoiler that will help Romney secure the nomination.
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Gingrich is a Dominionist, Romney likes to torture dogs, Perry, Bachmann and Santorum are retardidly insane and Paul is nuts. I can't wait to see who the nominee is..
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at this point in time

I will say momentum is quietly shifting (back) to Romney
and more likely he will get the nom before the late primaries


at this point in time, slight adjustment from last post


I will say momentum is quietly shifting (back) to Romney
and more likely he will get the nom before the late primaries
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Newt Gingrich told a gay man and longtime resident of Oskaloosa here today that he should vote for President Obama. “I asked him if he’s elected, how does he plan to engage gay Americans. How are we to support him? And he told me to support Obama,” said Scott Arnold, an adjunct professor of writing at William Penn University.”

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Gingrich, who has a half sister who is a lesbian, has previously said in Iowa that same-sex marriage “is a temporary aberration that will dissipate.” In his letter to The Family Leader this month, he advocated a federal constitutional amendment that would deny marriage rights to same-sex couples.

Newt Gingrich to gay Iowan: Vote for Obama | Iowa Caucuses


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at least he was honest, though. and right.

no gay person should vote for the GOP, insofar as he/she is concerned with his/her legal equality. despite Obama's and continued timidity on marriage, he's the most pro-equality president ever, and has significant LGBT accomplishments under his belt.

it's perfectly possible that gay people can be as concerned with never having taxes raised on the wealthy or starting wars for oil as anyone else, and this might trump their belief in the necessity of their own legal equality. \
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He was honest, and despite that being a bit disturbing in itself....what does that say about a candidate who is openly saying he will not engage a portion of the people he is supposed to lead?
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Is this the face of the Republican party?
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He was honest, and despite that being a bit disturbing in itself....what does that say about a candidate who is openly saying he will not engage a portion of the people he is supposed to lead?


i think it's more what it says about the base of the party.

i can pretty much guarantee that 99% of professional politicians who live and work in the DC area, Republican and Democrat, actually could care less about most of the social concerns of their base. there are certainly some exceptions -- Santorum and Bachman spring to mind -- but the rest of the candidates (as well as Senators and most Congress members) might not actively care about same-sex marriage, but if you asked them if they feel that gay people represent some sort of threat or should be actively discriminated against or if it's a choice, they would say no. they all have gay people on their staff. they all have gay friends. they are all generally cosmopolitan people who like nice things, who like money, who like to travel, and who like seeing their name up in lights. they tow the social conservative line for votes. the base wants its red meat, so they toss it to them.

(they're all also personally pro-choice as well )
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and, supposedly, the conversation between the gay guy and Gingrich was misrepresented.

Box Turtle Bulletin Newt Gingrich did NOT say that he doesn’t want gay votes

sounds like Gingrich was reasonable.
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