Hardly. If you've noticed, I've qualified my statements by saying that my experience, while my own, is in fact shared by the vast majority. You're the one making empirical statements in the face of biological and sociological human development, and trying to pass it off as fact.
pot, kettle. the difference, nathan, as we've pointed out with the APA and every other credible psychological association, as well as the experience of millions of children of gay and lesbian parents, is that my claims are empirical, you've just offered fast-and-loose pop psychology based on simplistic notions of "sociology" and whatever else you've pulled out of the sky.
Yes, you keep saying "lesbians are the BEST" over and over. And yet Obama's evidence was pretty compelling. Boys need fathers. Period. Science, history, and stastistics land on one side of this equation. What lands on yours?
are you kidding me? Obama's "evidence"? where, pray tell, WHERE does he talk about how children of gay parents are the problem in the African-American community? if you actually read the speech, as i pulled apart for you and listed the characteristics Obama himself lists, WHERE are the male-exclusive traits that the children of lesbians are so sorely lacking!?!?
or was Obama talking about the importance of intact, stable families where both partners support each other, and since the majority of families are heterosex, it was presented in terms most relatable to all? further, was Obama maybe also talking about he problem, particularly in the african-american community, of STRAIGHT fathers walking out on their kids?
it seems awfully, awfully terrible of you to blame absentee straight fathers on lesbian parents.
Have you studied sociology at all?
have you ?
according to any credible psychiatrist who knows that Freud was incredibly lacking when it came to people who weren't bourgeois heterosexual males in the late 19th century.
FYM, this is the kettle. You're black.
and yet, you're merely using your intelligence and writing skills to say the same thing that diamond has been saying all along. it's lipstick on a pig, but it's still ap ig.
Never said it, don't think it. I do think however -- and again, this is kind of borne out by science, human development, and the court of public opinion -- that boys need fathers. Read Obama's statistics again. Children -- particularly boys -- are dramatically harmed by the lack of a father in the house. Your attempt to relegate the crucial role both mothers and fathers play smacks of naivete.
i will reiterate this one more time: SHOW ME THE EVIDENCE WHERE THE MALE CHILDREN OF LESBIANS ARE HARMED BECAUSE THEY DO NOT HAVE A BIOLOGICAL FATHER IN THE HOUSE.
until you do that, you have nothing to offer here. nothing.
Obama is talking about broken homes and absentee fathers where a mother is left alone to take care of her children. he is not, repeat NOT, talking about the plight of children of lesbians.
the connection you're making is so specious it's laughable.
When you're making arguments that fly in the face of objective reality and intent on redefining that reality, I guess it's up to us who have actually experienced the complete opposite to say something.
When I start "shitting out" kids out of my vag, I guess I can start to agree that gender doesn't mean something when it comes to parenting.
Actually, I've made no such claims, beyond referring to statistics that are readily available. On the other hand, you're the one making an argument that a new core social structure is better than the old one, by insisting that homes with two lesbians are the optimal situation for raising a family. So the burden of proof lies on you. Again, there's thousands of years of human development on one side. What's on the other?
again, i could spend more time arguing, but VP has eviscerated you already, so i'll just repost that here.
Assuming the preferable vs the acceptable argument is valid (which it's not), it still has no impact on the gay marriage issue, since "acceptable" over "preferable" parenting is allowed in the straight community.
Also, to address comments made last night regarding psychological ramifications of this discussion, to take Baron-Cohen's statement regarding empathy and systemizing being hardwired into female and male brains, respectively, is a vast oversimplification, and furthermore, its application within this discussion doesn't fit. There are also problems with his theory of mind as it relates to autism anyway, but that's another discussion.
Regarding the psychological community being too politically correct to publish information to the contrary that homosexual parenting is equal to that of heterosexual parenting, I'd have to wonder how well the person making this statement knows the ins and outs of the psychological research community. Believe me, every researcher is looking to make their mark on the psychological world, and if they had valid data showing that homosexual parenting is inferior to heterosexual parenting, it would be out there. Controversial and valid findings are a way to get your name out there, and for many, if not most researchers, that's a very desirable thing.
and as for lesbians being better parents, here you go:
Lesbians parents better at raising children - Times Online
i'm sorry objective reality is clashing with your wild, sweeping notions of "sociology," but there you have it.