bono_212
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I'm surprised there wasn't some other big scandal leak before the debate this time.
Should make for someentertainingintensely uncomfortable viewing.
We've had several threads, so yeah, you missed it.
This is so sad, on so many levels. I mean I know where it comes from, and a Mack truck full of facts could hit you and you still wouldn't see it, but it's just sad.
Yeah Hillary is flawed, but Trump is dangerous.
A serial fabricator
An authoritarian
An assailant
He won't take nuking Europe off the table
He wants to remove bases from countries unless they pay him
He wants to track people of certain religions
But oh yeah Benghazi and the 13 Republican lead investigations that couldn't come up with anything
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I didn't realise the third debate was this soon.
LN7, in short, I'm giving to everything Gump has said. (I also don't think he was being patronising when he mentioned the gay community.)
You said in your original post that "muslims have a responsibility to help show people that they're normal people just like everyone else".
We're saying that absofuckinglutely do not have that responsibility. Or they shouldn't have. If they choose to do that, great. But it is pretty asinine to say that they have a responsibility to prove to all us racist white people that they don't like terrorism. It should be OUR fucking responsibility to reach out and try to be more inclusive. The onus should NEVER, ever be on a minority group to take responsibility to prove they're good people after something bad is done by someone who claims they're also of that minority. Never.
Because as a white person, if a fellow white person, or fellow white man, does something awful, I never have to come out and say "oh hey we're not all bad". It's taken as granted.
I didn't realise the third debate was this soon.
LN7, in short, I'm giving to everything Gump has said. (I also don't think he was being patronising when he mentioned the gay community.)
You said in your original post that "muslims have a responsibility to help show people that they're normal people just like everyone else".
We're saying that absofuckinglutely do not have that responsibility. Or they shouldn't have. If they choose to do that, great. But it is pretty asinine to say that they have a responsibility to prove to all us racist white people that they don't like terrorism. It should be OUR fucking responsibility to reach out and try to be more inclusive. The onus should NEVER, ever be on a minority group to take responsibility to prove they're good people after something bad is done by someone who claims they're also of that minority. Never.
Because as a white person, if a fellow white person, or fellow white man, does something awful, I never have to come out and say "oh hey we're not all bad". It's taken as granted.
The mistake you're making here is that much like gump, you think you can inherently speak for them because of your understanding of them. But you can't ever actually fully understand them, because you're not them.
as someone who is part of "the LGBT community", all i have to say is that you couldn't be more wrong about this.
as someone who is part of "the LGBT community", all i have to say is that you couldn't be more wrong about this, and i'm a bit surprised to hear you take such an exclusionary tone.
Oh c'mon. You guys are as monolithic as "the black community." Don't you have a spokesperson like they do?
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LN7 you're backing yourself in a corner.
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I'm not sure what you mean by an "exclusionary tone," Dave. I'm not excluding anyone. I've explicitly said that everyone has their role in order to create social justice. But if you think it's exclusionary to believe that someone from a minority group has an inherent better understanding of themselves versus someone who is trying to help them, I don't really know what to say.
He never means to be patronizing, he just can't help it. Sort of like the last time when he told me I didn't know what I was talking about in regards to my own family origins
I never said anyone had to "prove" themselves. Yes, WE have a responsibility. Every community who wants it to change has a responsibility to do their part. The mistake you're making here is that much like gump, you think you can inherently speak for them because of your understanding of them. But you can't ever actually fully understand them, because you're not them. The best you can do is do your part. Everyone has a part, from a broad perspective.
That doesn't mean every individual. That means every general perspective. Your point about white people doesn't mean anything. White people are fully accepted by the majority because they are the majority.
Oh c'mon. You guys are as monolithic as "the black community." Don't you have a spokesperson like they do?
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Of course I don't have a better understanding and I have no idea where you got the idea that I was claiming to have a better understanding of a minority than the actual people themselves.
But you're doing the same thing - you're telling Muslims that they should take responsibility.
I didn't see that, sorry.
But I am really struggling to comprehend what the actual heck you're talking about.
You said Muslims have a responsibility. Why do you think this? That's incredibly unfair.
A responsibility to educate us as to what Islam stands for.
I wasn't saying you were claiming to have a better idea. I was simply saying that the discrepancy in understanding is why someone who gets dealt a minority stance in life has to speak for themselves.
I never said muslims should "take" responsibility for anything. I did say they have a responsibility [assumed to be to themselves]. A responsibility to educate us as to what Islam stands for. It's not unfair. Being in their position is unfair. Being treated poorly and unequally is unfair. Partaking in helping advance your social justice... it's not unfair if you can have a part in changing things and you don't try. But this isn't limited to just Islam. It's this way across the board, for any minority.
It is not their responsibility to educate fucking idiots who are racist because they're ignorant.
So... according to you, if I identify myself as part of the Mexican minority in the US, it is my responsibility to educate you that I'm not a rapist??
Well I disagree in the strongest possible terms. That's crap. It is not their responsibility to educate fucking idiots who are racist because they're ignorant.
If they WANT to do that, awesome.
But they don't have a responsibility to do so and I find that suggestion to be ridiculous.
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