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how would you feel if you were at a N'sync forum and people started picking on U2?[/B]
Even 24 hrs. later, I still dig this one! Heh Heh...
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"I'm already gone... Felt that way all along..."
how would you feel if you were at a N'sync forum and people started picking on U2?[/B]
Originally posted by The Wanderer:
what the fuck?
U2girl = cindy brady?
Originally posted by Achtung Bubba:
I believe many here need to simply calm down and don't take things too personally. Keep the discussion civil, and the discussion can also remain substantive.
An extreme case proves my point: imagine you have an average five-year-old child and the child writes a story about his day at the park. Compare the story to Shakespeare's Hamlet. Because of personal reasons, you may love your child's story; and you may have personally never gotten "into" Shakespeare. But even then, I believe NO ONE will HONESTLY suggest that the stories are comparable in quality, or that there is no meaning in suggesting that Shakespeare is an objectively better writer.
Shakespeare's works ARE BETTER than the works of an average five-year-old -- hell, probably better than the works of the most gifted child prodigy.
Originally posted by Diemen:
*Looks at thread*
WHY???? For the love of God, Why even bother?????
I'm reminded of a saying "Those who fail to learn from their past are doomed to repeat it."
And now....the pattern of U2girl's posting:
60% - Anything U2 related, even if she already posted a thread with the exact same topic 2 times before
10% - Replying to another topic by starting a new thread, rather than replying in that topic
30% - Finding out something that virtually everybody else agrees on, and then posting something in direct opposition to it, and calling it "discussion" even though absolutely no progress is made and major points are not taken into consideration and only selective parts of posts are replied to.
[This message has been edited by Diemen (edited 09-08-2001).]
Of course you're not and we are not either!just because U2 is my favorite band, i'm not gonna jam their music into someone's throat and say: U2 is the best, what you listen to sucks!
Originally posted by Salome:
I don't like 'n synch
almost no-one here does
--> I don't need 8 threads in one day to tell me that 'n synch sucks
Originally posted by Achtung Bubba:
Yeah, the Shakespeare/five-year-old may have been an extreme example, but I believe that it proves my point, that everyone will admit the extreme example holds true, and that therefore the more common cases hold: My point is that there *is* good music and bad music, and that we can (and, to perhaps a small degree, we should) impune the really bad music out there.
I can understand that some N*Sync fans are really moved by their albums, and of course the right to listen to it, but it's still bad music.
Another example might help:
The movie Titanic was essentially a crap movie -- a predictable chick flick with a huge budget, a big marketing machine, and the critics' support. It had a VERY juvenile script with an immature romance and one-dimensional characterization. It trivialized one of the worst disasters of the twentieth century so that fourteen-year-old girls (surprisingly, the same audience N*Sync aims for) could swoon and cry over Leonardo DiCaprio.
The film did move a LOT of people, and they have the right to watch, enjoy, and be so moved. BUT, insofar as one can objectively analyze art, one has the right to put forth his beliefs on whether the art is good or bad.
And in certain contexts -- such as this forum -- I think it's okay to criticize with a good deal of gusto, passion, and humor.
Originally posted by Red Ships of Scalla-Festa:
their answer will NEVER be fries.
Originally posted by Deathbear's Fly Girl:
U2girl how many wpm do you type?
Originally posted by Deathbear's Fly Girl:
U2girl how many wpm do you type?
Originally posted by U2girl:
ps: in spite of me telling you opposite, you remain convinced that i was sure U2 was calling it quits...is this post some kind of revenge?
Originally posted by Deathbear's Fly Girl:
LOL Bebe!
No its just you pump those monologue posts out pretty quick.
Originally posted by Diemen:
Um, actually no, I'm not convinced you were sure U2 was calling it quits. I just don't understand why you had to address the same topic when it was already argued to the fullest extent in the first one.
And that post wasn't revenge, it was simply frustration at this whole thread. You should know by now the responses you're going to get when you post something like this. What is the point? We understand your point that yeah, maybe we go a little overboard, but honestly, if you listened to N'Sync's music you'd realize that a lot of your points aren't valid because a)they don't even write their own songs, heck - they can't even CHOOSE their own songs - the bigwigs choose what songs are going to be on their album based on how well they will sell, simple as that. Second, the song topics are nothing new and aren't even original in the way they deal with it. Now, this music might be appealing to people who simply aren't in touch with deep emotion, but when this music starts winning awards left and right, it's a sign that something is seriously messed up with the music industry.
And that's really what I think the majority of us are mad about. We put a lot of the blame onto N'Sync because they are, let's face it, the spearhead and the stereotypical image of the boy band movement. Do you think that N'Sync is in control of their music? No. You think it was N'Sync's idea to borrow the "let's point out the rampant consumerism in society" idea? Yeah right. N'Sync has little if any artistic say in their music. Other people write, produce, play, plan and strategize their music, their image, and their tours. I find that repulsive.
Maybe the guys in N'Sync are pretty cool guys (but after watching Justin Timberlake blabber on and on at the VMA's acting like he thinks he's a comedian, I know he's not). I bet when they each auditioned for this, they wanted their shot at stardom, and I can't fault them for that - who wouldn't want a glimpse of stardom? But N'Sync the band is an affront to a music industry that used to honor hard work (and by hard work I don't mean practicing long hours on your dance routines) and slugging it out in the clubs and hitting the street to get the word out before you could get your taste of glory, rather than having so many corporate big-wigs throwing money around to win influence that your success is nothing more than a clear-cut formula in which you are generally not all that important.
So I think a lot of the stuff being said about N'Sync the group (rather than the indivduals within it) is deserved.