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love, blood, life Join Date: Sep 2004
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2.T-H-E-Y-'-R-E means 'They are', T-H-E-I-R is poccessive. 3.Why do you insist on coming into a thread with so much intelligent discussion on the topic and littering it with something like this? |
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1. There There
__________________2. A Punch-Up At A Wedding 3. Go To Sleep 4. I Am A Wicked Child 5. Follow Me Around 6. Good Morning, Mr. Magpie 7. Gagging Order 8. Fog (live version) 9. Talk Show Host (live version) 10. Sail To The Moon I thought about a tracklisting that would sound like the groovy, bluesy, happy album people like Layton wanted to hear. This is my result. It's great somehow, but otherwise you can see why it's not what Radiohead released with HTTT. On the one hand it lacks the feeling of alienation and the mysterious touch, which belongs to Radiohead and will always do, I think. It sound almost radio-friendly and commercial. And this is the other problem. Releasing an album like this would be the same for Radiohead as saying: "You critics were right, our last too albums were too experimental, strange and barely listenable. Sorry for these albums, now we will try to sound like Coldplay." But I'm sure Radiohead are proud of "Kid Amnesiac" and that they wanted to get the attention of people who dismissed these albums, that were under-estimated by the critque. As far as that I have to defend, what Radiohead did. On the other hand HTTT has some big problems, I (a radiohead fan from the atease msg board) have to agree. Listening to the previous albums was like watching a movie. "OK Computer" takes me to an Orwellian future-world, "Kid A" is a journey through wide icy landscapes and listening to "Amnesiac" is like going through the labyrinth of the minotaur. HTTT is good music, but it takes me nowhere, it lacks that visual quality. And the reason for that is probably that the album was made without a concept, without thinking too much about it. So somehow I wish Radiohead would analyze their music more carefully again. Can you understand that point, Layton? Also I think it's a big mistake to put a song like "We Suck Young Blood" on the record and let it follow by "The Gloaming". As Thom said in the quote I have posted earlier, "WSYB" has a real sense of humour to it and it seems as Radiohead were making fun of themselves. They take themselves not too seriously. But on the next song, "The Gloaming", they talk about the apocalypse with lines like "this is now the witching hour" and "your alarm bells should be ringing, this is the gloaming" so seriously that they don't have to wonder when people dismiss all the irony that you can find in WSYB. One last thing: Some people speculated what Radiohead may do in the future. As a big fan I can add some information. Thom Yorke said in an interview something like: "With HTTT we just wanted to stop our musical development for a moment and enjoy where we are now and what we have achieved. But I think on the next album it's time for us to disappear again in a black hole of the unknown. I think, the next time we will be completely unrecognizable." And some months ago they compared their studio sessions that are going on at the moment with the "Kid A" sessions, where they kind of reinvented themselves. Jonny Greenwood has a new job as a composer for the BBC orchestra and if you listen to this music, it's obvious that he is very interested in oriental music at the moment. So maybe you can expect the next album with classical elements and especially influenced by the oriental composer Mohamed Abdel Wahab. I think that's possible and I think it would be great. But when you're dealing with Radiohead, nothing's ever for sure. (Please excuse my bad English, because it's not my first language.) |
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Sure, I understand your point about the evolution of the last 4 albums and where that's gotten them, currently in your mind. Only time will tell what happens from here, I guess. |
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I never want to hear the word "Sensual" or "Primitive" again
stop saying these words! STOP SAYING THEM! |
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that being said, i liked moritz’s idea of coming up with a tracklisting that might appeal to those who’d like to hear radiohead get down. there is no rhyme or reason to this list. just a collection of songs that i think show radiohead’s music can and does sonically, emotionally, rhythmically and (gasp!) hip-shakingly ‘go there’: - electioneering - idioteque - lewis (mistreated) - lift - mxyomatosis - nothing touches me - reckoner - sit down, stand up - talk show host - where I end and you begin |
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Rock n' Roll Doggie
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2: Apologies for the spelling mistake, like all of us I'm not perfect 3: giving my opinion |
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Layton, did you hear that "Arpeggi" song/piece Thom performed with the orchestra earlier this year?
I don't really like it, because the music sounds derivative of other bands (and Steve Reich) to me, in fact it sounds way too close to completely blah '70s prog rock (whereas "Pyramid Song" was better-than-anything-actually-from-the-'70s prog rock) but I guess it's nice enough. And that song is hardly typical Radiohead. It seems to be a sort of new agey love song, relaxing and lacking the sense of tension and political angst. It's like what I would expect from modern day Mercury Rev. Wouldn't more songs like that, however good or bad, be exactly what you mean by showing their non-intellectual side? I guess what I'm asking is, are you criticizing lyrics or music? If they made an underproduced album of piano/organ and acoustic tunes with minimal electronic embellishment-- songs that sounded like "Mr. Magpie," "I Froze Up," "Gagging Order," "Reckoner" etc.-- yet the lyrics continued in the vein of the past few albums (but back to the old Kid A levels of ingenuity) would you complain they were still not being primitive because they weren't saying "you go girl" to Aung Sang Suu Kyi and professing love to their wives? If the lack of personal lyrics is what bothers you, hopefully you noticed "Sail to the Moon." |
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Why is Oprah yelling? Why? |
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Hmm, I'm not sure. Didn't REM owe IRS an album and that's why it got released? |
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War Child
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To answer your second question; This has been all about the music. It's my sense of how they approach things rhythmically that led me down this weakness path. |
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Rock n' Roll Doggie
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It really was just opinion, and there's no refuting that. I believe that some took contention to Layton's ideas because the word theory implies a more universal meaning. There was a lot of vague words selected (on behalf of everyone, myself included) that made it difficult to gain an understanding. Personally, my thoughts were hindered by my attempts at hypocritical irony in later posts, where other approaches would have been more suitable. There were things I left unsaid, but it's all just semantics. Hats off to the folks who carried on the interest in a civil manner.
As a gesture to rectify my lowbrow usurping, I offer all Arpeggi. ![]() Mail trebek@gmail.com if you, Layton, or anyone else is interested. Cheers. ![]() |
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Rock n' Roll Doggie
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( First off great thread, but I don't want to be jumped on due to the stupidity that may reside in my post)
After reading through both threads, the one here and the one at atease, I think I can safely say that a lot of Radiohead fans ( Yes I'm a fan of both bands) have a grand tendency towards pomposity and self righteousness, basically while most of us here openly criticise what we don't like about our favourite band ( What ever that band may be U2 being mine ), the Radiohead fans on that forum seem stilted in their reasoning and ability to coerce themselves into a more free state of mind. I apologise for generalising our fellow forum goers, but music is not about intellectual ponderings and having soulless agendas, music is about passion and heart, passion that I feel when listening to Sunday Bloody Sunday or 2 + 2= 5, I find comfort in No Surprises as well as One, Bono is a master of conceptual lyricism, Thom captures mankind’s inner doubts and paranoia. In the end of the day we're all pretentious, ignorant assholes in my opinion atleast, sorry if this post doesn't really belong here per se due to my lack of an education ![]() |
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