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in lieu of my inability to attach files, I give you this from the Chicago Tribune. I made my favorite quote BOLD:
Pop-foul fan draws hostility ?and sympathy
Escorted away for protection
By Chris Malcolm and Melissa Isaacson
Last seen, the fan who tried to catch the ball was wearing a jacket on his head and being led into the underbelly of Wrigley Field for his own protection.
He may forever be referred to as "that fan" or any number of other names after he reached for a pop foul that Cubs left fielder Moises Alou was about to catch for the second out in the eighth inning of Game 6 of the National League Championship Series, with the Cubs leading 3-0 and five outs away from the World Series.
But the ball struck the fan's hand and bounced free, opening the door to an eight-run Marlins rally and an eventual Cubs loss.
Within moments, the fans down the left-field line began booing and chanting, "Get him out." The object of their scorn still sat in his front-row seat, wearing headphones and a Cubs cap, as the Marlins began to pile up runs.
"It cost us the game, pal," shouted one fan. Another fan tossed a beer cup toward the man's seat, but it fell short.
Three security guards ejected one fan after throwing beer. "I hope you're happy," the man screamed. "You cost us a [expletive] World Series."
Another fan yelled, "You could tell we're better than Boston or he'd be dead already."
Within a few minutes, Cubs security closed access to the lower levels of the stands and kept reporters out of the area. Moments later, another fan who said his name was Jim Cuthbert was escorted shouting from the area. Cuthbert said ushers took him out of the park because had gone to confront the fan who had touched the ball and refused to return to his seat.
"I said, 'What the hell is wrong with you?'" said Cuthbert, who added he caught the man's eye and challenged him to come outside. Cuthbert said the man wouldn't answer.
Cuthbert said he wanted to know why he had been kicked out while the fan who touched the ball was allowed to remain.
"The [usher] said, 'Sir, take your seat,' and I said, 'I ain't taking my seat. Why is he still sitting there?' So then they said, 'Get out of here.'"
Pat Looney, 34, was seated nearby and was in a more forgiving mood. "Hey, it looked like it was out of play," Looney said in an interview after the game. "I don't blame the guy. He was looking up at the ball, not down on the field."
Looney said nobody in that part of the stands saw Alou coming, especially the fan in Seat 11, Row 9.
"If I had seen Alou coming, I would have pushed [the other fan] out of the way," Looney said.
Looney, who said he was a Chicago firefighter, said he already received numerous calls on his cell phone from friends and co-workers watching TV. "I said, 'I didn't touch it.'" Looney said.
At the end of the eighth, team security escorted the fan away from the stands. Officials said he had asked to stay at the stadium until it cleared before he made his way home. A man who was with him was taken out of Wrigley and hastily put into a taxi.
"We're not giving away any names," said a Wrigley Field official. "We're protecting our patrons."
Some fans were actually sympathetic. "Ninety-nine percent of these fans would have done the same thing," said one spectator as the insults rained down. "They're all hypocrites."
The incident recalled memories of Jeffrey Maier, a 12-year-old Yankees fan, who reached into the field of play over Baltimore right fielder Tony Tarasco in Game 1 of the 1996 American League Championship Series, to catch a ball hit by the Yankees' Derek Jeter.
The ball was ultimately ruled to be a game-tying home run, and the Yankees went on to win.
Pop-foul fan draws hostility ?and sympathy
Escorted away for protection
By Chris Malcolm and Melissa Isaacson
Last seen, the fan who tried to catch the ball was wearing a jacket on his head and being led into the underbelly of Wrigley Field for his own protection.
He may forever be referred to as "that fan" or any number of other names after he reached for a pop foul that Cubs left fielder Moises Alou was about to catch for the second out in the eighth inning of Game 6 of the National League Championship Series, with the Cubs leading 3-0 and five outs away from the World Series.
But the ball struck the fan's hand and bounced free, opening the door to an eight-run Marlins rally and an eventual Cubs loss.
Within moments, the fans down the left-field line began booing and chanting, "Get him out." The object of their scorn still sat in his front-row seat, wearing headphones and a Cubs cap, as the Marlins began to pile up runs.
"It cost us the game, pal," shouted one fan. Another fan tossed a beer cup toward the man's seat, but it fell short.
Three security guards ejected one fan after throwing beer. "I hope you're happy," the man screamed. "You cost us a [expletive] World Series."
Another fan yelled, "You could tell we're better than Boston or he'd be dead already."
Within a few minutes, Cubs security closed access to the lower levels of the stands and kept reporters out of the area. Moments later, another fan who said his name was Jim Cuthbert was escorted shouting from the area. Cuthbert said ushers took him out of the park because had gone to confront the fan who had touched the ball and refused to return to his seat.
"I said, 'What the hell is wrong with you?'" said Cuthbert, who added he caught the man's eye and challenged him to come outside. Cuthbert said the man wouldn't answer.
Cuthbert said he wanted to know why he had been kicked out while the fan who touched the ball was allowed to remain.
"The [usher] said, 'Sir, take your seat,' and I said, 'I ain't taking my seat. Why is he still sitting there?' So then they said, 'Get out of here.'"
Pat Looney, 34, was seated nearby and was in a more forgiving mood. "Hey, it looked like it was out of play," Looney said in an interview after the game. "I don't blame the guy. He was looking up at the ball, not down on the field."
Looney said nobody in that part of the stands saw Alou coming, especially the fan in Seat 11, Row 9.
"If I had seen Alou coming, I would have pushed [the other fan] out of the way," Looney said.
Looney, who said he was a Chicago firefighter, said he already received numerous calls on his cell phone from friends and co-workers watching TV. "I said, 'I didn't touch it.'" Looney said.
At the end of the eighth, team security escorted the fan away from the stands. Officials said he had asked to stay at the stadium until it cleared before he made his way home. A man who was with him was taken out of Wrigley and hastily put into a taxi.
"We're not giving away any names," said a Wrigley Field official. "We're protecting our patrons."
Some fans were actually sympathetic. "Ninety-nine percent of these fans would have done the same thing," said one spectator as the insults rained down. "They're all hypocrites."
The incident recalled memories of Jeffrey Maier, a 12-year-old Yankees fan, who reached into the field of play over Baltimore right fielder Tony Tarasco in Game 1 of the 1996 American League Championship Series, to catch a ball hit by the Yankees' Derek Jeter.
The ball was ultimately ruled to be a game-tying home run, and the Yankees went on to win.
WildHoneyAlways
Rock n' Roll Doggie FOB
Okay people, this situation had gotten out of control. I just heard on the radio that the media has stake out this guy's house. There are police there to ensure the reporters don't approach the home. Unbelieveable. I'm disgusted at the coverage of this. Last night News Anchors were making statements like "I would kick him" and "He's lucky if he makes it out of here alive" That's just stupid and irresponsible. Get over it. This guy DID NOT LOSE THE GAME FOR THE CUBS!!!!
There were a number of bad pitches and bad plays that allowed the Marlins to win. Anyway, if you are in IL or parts of Iowa, Wis, Michigan, tune in to WSCR AM 670 the Score for great sports radio and great coverage of this situation. Boers and Bernstein are great.
There were a number of bad pitches and bad plays that allowed the Marlins to win. Anyway, if you are in IL or parts of Iowa, Wis, Michigan, tune in to WSCR AM 670 the Score for great sports radio and great coverage of this situation. Boers and Bernstein are great.
he should move to montana and live with bill buckner
zoney!
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WildHoneyAlways said:
I was just listening to the Score at lunch. They are doing a good job with it. I find it hilarious they have a guy out there...but he is reporting on the stupidity of the media (and the whole situation). The Score should be commended on how they are handling it (avoiding mentioning the name of the guy...or the loaction).
This is crazy.
i think we're all missing who the real person to blame in this entire situation is...
that's right... bernie mac.
indeed it was a shame mr. mac... you done spoketh too soon...
that's right... bernie mac.
indeed it was a shame mr. mac... you done spoketh too soon...
Diane L
Rock n' Roll Doggie FOB
I seem to remember the Cubbie shortstop dropping a ball, which would have been a surefire out, right after the fan interference incident.
Someone forgot to tell the Marlins that most of America is rooting for the Cubs.
The Cubs lost the game, not the fan. They fell apart after that play. And those Marlins are tough...darn them!
Someone forgot to tell the Marlins that most of America is rooting for the Cubs.
The Cubs lost the game, not the fan. They fell apart after that play. And those Marlins are tough...darn them!
zoney!
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My good college/chicago/U2 friend works for Hewitt. I just called her. Also, I woder if Screaming Flower knows this guy...they probably graduated from ND around the same time.
Man in stands described as diehard fan
Chicago Sun-Times - October 15, 2003
The man some fans blame for Tuesday night's Cubs loss because he reached out and touched a foul ball that Moises Alou was trying to catch is a diehard Cubs fan who coaches youth baseball in the north suburbs.
Steve Bartman, 26, works at Hewitt Associates, an international consulting firm in Lincolnshire.
"He is an associate at Hewitt, and he is not coming to work today because of the incident," Suzanne Zagata-Meraz, a spokeswoman for Hewitt, said this morning. "That was a decision that Steve and [Human Resources] made together. We have been in contact with Steve."
A man who answered the door at the Northbrook home where friends and a neighbor said Bartman grew up defended him, saying he only did what came naturally when a foul ball came his way.
"He's a huge Cubs fan," said the man, who responded to "Mr. Bartman." "I'm sure I taught him well. I taught him to catch foul balls when they come near him."
He declined to say any more and would not confirm what relation he is to Steve Bartman.
A neighbor, Ron Cohen, said he has known the Bartman family for 20 years. He and others said Bartman was a graduate of the University of Notre Dame who played for and is now a coach for the Renegades, an elite youth baseball club in Niles.
Cohen said he saw Bartman on Sunday and that Bartman told him then that he had tickets to Tuesday's game.
"He felt great he got tickets to the game," said Cohen, 63.
Cohen was watching the game on TV with his son, who grew up with "Stevie," when they recognized the man in the Renegades shirt.
"I really was just surprised," said Cohen, who called Bartman's mother. "I think it's just a natural tendency. Everybody reaches. I'm not trying to defend him, but I think it's just a natural tendency. He may not have seen Alou coming."
He described Bartman as a baseball fanatic.
"He's a good kid, a wonderful son, never in any trouble," Cohen told a Sun-Times reporter. "I don't think he should be blamed at all. People reach for balls. This just happened to be a little more critical. If Florida didn't score all the runs, you wouldn't be standing here."
A parent whose son played baseball for the Renegades last year echoed Cohen's description of Bartman.
"He was a fine guy. He was a good baseball coach to my son," said Roger Shimanovsky, 41. "Believe me, I'm sure nobody feels worse about this than him."
Bartman is listed as a coach of the Renegades' 13-year-old team this year, according to the organization's Web site.
He also was a player on a 1992 Renegades team that finished with 47 wins and 10 losses. The team was the Palatine League champion and the Pekin Fourth of July tournament champion.
The home where Bartman grew up backs up to a baseball field where his dad would hit pop-ups for him and his friends to catch, said Ron Cohen's son, Gary Cohen, 34. He said Bartman's favorite player growing up was Cubs second baseman Ryne Sandberg.
Man in stands described as diehard fan
Chicago Sun-Times - October 15, 2003
The man some fans blame for Tuesday night's Cubs loss because he reached out and touched a foul ball that Moises Alou was trying to catch is a diehard Cubs fan who coaches youth baseball in the north suburbs.
Steve Bartman, 26, works at Hewitt Associates, an international consulting firm in Lincolnshire.
"He is an associate at Hewitt, and he is not coming to work today because of the incident," Suzanne Zagata-Meraz, a spokeswoman for Hewitt, said this morning. "That was a decision that Steve and [Human Resources] made together. We have been in contact with Steve."
A man who answered the door at the Northbrook home where friends and a neighbor said Bartman grew up defended him, saying he only did what came naturally when a foul ball came his way.
"He's a huge Cubs fan," said the man, who responded to "Mr. Bartman." "I'm sure I taught him well. I taught him to catch foul balls when they come near him."
He declined to say any more and would not confirm what relation he is to Steve Bartman.
A neighbor, Ron Cohen, said he has known the Bartman family for 20 years. He and others said Bartman was a graduate of the University of Notre Dame who played for and is now a coach for the Renegades, an elite youth baseball club in Niles.
Cohen said he saw Bartman on Sunday and that Bartman told him then that he had tickets to Tuesday's game.
"He felt great he got tickets to the game," said Cohen, 63.
Cohen was watching the game on TV with his son, who grew up with "Stevie," when they recognized the man in the Renegades shirt.
"I really was just surprised," said Cohen, who called Bartman's mother. "I think it's just a natural tendency. Everybody reaches. I'm not trying to defend him, but I think it's just a natural tendency. He may not have seen Alou coming."
He described Bartman as a baseball fanatic.
"He's a good kid, a wonderful son, never in any trouble," Cohen told a Sun-Times reporter. "I don't think he should be blamed at all. People reach for balls. This just happened to be a little more critical. If Florida didn't score all the runs, you wouldn't be standing here."
A parent whose son played baseball for the Renegades last year echoed Cohen's description of Bartman.
"He was a fine guy. He was a good baseball coach to my son," said Roger Shimanovsky, 41. "Believe me, I'm sure nobody feels worse about this than him."
Bartman is listed as a coach of the Renegades' 13-year-old team this year, according to the organization's Web site.
He also was a player on a 1992 Renegades team that finished with 47 wins and 10 losses. The team was the Palatine League champion and the Pekin Fourth of July tournament champion.
The home where Bartman grew up backs up to a baseball field where his dad would hit pop-ups for him and his friends to catch, said Ron Cohen's son, Gary Cohen, 34. He said Bartman's favorite player growing up was Cubs second baseman Ryne Sandberg.
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Lemon Meringue
Rock n' Roll Doggie
I was watching the game, but missed the incident. (That's what I get for attempting to do dishes while watching the game...stupid play-offs...I don't get anything done around the house. 
) From what I have seen, it really doesn't look like the ball would have been catchable. He should have let it go, but I think the way he is being treated is dummer than what he did.
) From what I have seen, it really doesn't look like the ball would have been catchable. He should have let it go, but I think the way he is being treated is dummer than what he did.the ball was definitely coming down right into Alou's glove
for people who say anyone would go after the ball, thats not true. ive been lucky to have friends in high places and get first row tickets quite a few times. you are supposed to know the game situation, if the other team is trying to catch it, then you get in the way, if your team is trying to make the out, you get out of the way. its common sense.
and to the people who say the cubs lost it not him, well if he would have caught that, there would have been 2 outs, and then the shortstop wouldnt have tried to hurry to make a double play and could have just made the easy out at first to end the inning.
of course the cubs could have played better after the incident to win, but its the playoffs and every out is critical, if a team gets an extra one they usually take advantage of it
so maybe it isnt completely the guys fault, but if he had any common sense then the Cubs would be in the World Series right now, no doubt about it
for people who say anyone would go after the ball, thats not true. ive been lucky to have friends in high places and get first row tickets quite a few times. you are supposed to know the game situation, if the other team is trying to catch it, then you get in the way, if your team is trying to make the out, you get out of the way. its common sense.
and to the people who say the cubs lost it not him, well if he would have caught that, there would have been 2 outs, and then the shortstop wouldnt have tried to hurry to make a double play and could have just made the easy out at first to end the inning.
of course the cubs could have played better after the incident to win, but its the playoffs and every out is critical, if a team gets an extra one they usually take advantage of it
so maybe it isnt completely the guys fault, but if he had any common sense then the Cubs would be in the World Series right now, no doubt about it
ABEL
An Angel In Devil's Shoes
WildHoneyAlways said:
agreed. i keep thinking to myself "it's just a game!" i mean i know it's baseball, and the world series, but geez. i think there's a lot more things in the world to worry about than that. besides, in the playback video of the moment when he tried to catch the ball, he wasn't the only one reaching for it
nbcrusader
Blue Crack Addict
Please. It is almost as if we are beating ourselves to protect or defend this guy. He did something stupid. He interfered with the play of the game. It happened to be a really important game for some.
Its not like he will be punished for the act. But I understand why people are upset with this guy.
Its not like he will be punished for the act. But I understand why people are upset with this guy.
Lemon Meringue
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Yeah, he did something stupid. Maybe we should just take him out back and shoot him.
like nbcrusader said, he shouldnt be punished for what he did
but you cant blame people for being pissed off
sports fans are passionate people, and for most cubs fans this would have been the first trip to the World Series in their lifetime
he possibly cost them a once in a lifetime occurance
i know i would be damned pissed, but since I am a Cards fan I am loving it and he is my hero
but you cant blame people for being pissed off
sports fans are passionate people, and for most cubs fans this would have been the first trip to the World Series in their lifetime
he possibly cost them a once in a lifetime occurance
i know i would be damned pissed, but since I am a Cards fan I am loving it and he is my hero
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MissVelvetDress_75
Blue Crack Addict
yes he is a dead man. sorry dude.
zoney!
ONE love, blood, life
Meh.
I think Cubs fans are used to losing....and expect things to go wrong. You know...the curse or something.
I spoke with my friend that works for his company. She said that the company called him and told him to take a few days of so they could assure his safety at work, and he can assure his safety away from work. Thankfully, he works for a very nuturing company.
The Cubs had many opportunities to right the situation after this. Oh well. 
I think Cubs fans are used to losing....and expect things to go wrong. You know...the curse or something.
I spoke with my friend that works for his company. She said that the company called him and told him to take a few days of so they could assure his safety at work, and he can assure his safety away from work. Thankfully, he works for a very nuturing company.
The Cubs had many opportunities to right the situation after this. Oh well.
Angela Harlem
Jesus Online
I guess its easier for some fans to lay blame on this one guy than deal with the Cubs getting so close. Very frustrating for them, surely.
Still no reason to call for blood for God's sake. They played a great season. There's no taking that off them.
Still no reason to call for blood for God's sake. They played a great season. There's no taking that off them.
Leeloo
War Child
That dweeb is a marked man. He's the new goat like the billygoat in 1908. I can't believe someone would let their selfishness cost their team a championship. 
But he will go down in history, not in a good way, but he's famous now.
But he will go down in history, not in a good way, but he's famous now.
WildHoneyAlways
Rock n' Roll Doggie FOB
Leeloo said:That dweeb is a marked man. He's the new goat like the billygoat in 1908. I can't believe someone would let their selfishness cost their team a championship.
Do you really believe that he is responsible for bad managing, bad pitches, and errors? The cubs lost this for themselves. Kerry Wood took the blame last night saying that he choked. Thats a big man. Don't be an ass-clown and blame some random fan. Put the blame squarely on the team where it belongs.
zoney!
ONE love, blood, life
It is sad that the acutally ball play on the field won't be remembered from game six. It will be the poor kid going for the souvenir.
Viva Bill Buckner.
Viva Bill Buckner.
just like bill buckner wasn't the true goat of game 6 of the '86 series... he likely wouldn't have beaten mookie wilson to the bag if he HAD fielded that groundball, stanley never broke to cover 1st base (stanley also threw a wild pitch that tied the game just before the buckner play)... this Joe Butterfingers out in leftfield of Wrigley will forever be blamed for this entire deal, when the real boob of the situation was Alex Gonzalez, who led the NL in fielding percentage, booting an easy double-play ball that would have gotten them out of the 8th inning with a 3-1 lead. dems the breaks
dems the breaks
Hewson
Blue Crack Supplier
Stanley's wild pitch was clearly a passed ball on Gedman that was scored wrong.
The goat if you must for game 6 is easy...Calvin "deer in the headlights" Schiraldi.
The goat if you must for game 6 is easy...Calvin "deer in the headlights" Schiraldi.
the goat in game 6 was john mcnamara
gherman
New Yorker
This is bullshit!!! 90% of all people would have done the same thing. If you watch the re-play you will notice that all the people around him reach for the ball, he was just the one closest to it. It just a very quick lack of judgement, a play like that happens in a split second. The error following this, by the Cubs, had so much more to do with the loss. The guy is a 26 year old who coach's little league and loves the Cubs. It WAS NOT HIS FAULT the Cubs lost and if you think so your a fuckin' retard!!! Jesus Christ the media is killing this guy. Its a fucking game. I played for the University Of Michigan baseball tream, my brother played pro, its a fucking game get over it. I love how the people of the U.S. can REALLY look at whats important and wrong with the world.
I was watching that game, and all I can say is, everything immediately changed after that play. Maybe they all got a negative attitude, or thought about the curse, all I know is they were winning and completely collapsed after that play. 
I would say, no Steve Bartman, and the Cubs would have clinched that night. Soon enough somebody will make a Bart Man comic of him, looking like Bart Simpson.
I would say, no Steve Bartman, and the Cubs would have clinched that night. Soon enough somebody will make a Bart Man comic of him, looking like Bart Simpson.
MissVelvetDress_75
Blue Crack Addict
what have the media been saying about him? i am curious, i have not been keeping up on the press about that poor guy.
zoney!
ONE love, blood, life
they are saying that he is a good guy. He coaches youth baseball, active in the community.
Blaming the collapse on this fan is about the most ignorant thing you can do! No runs were directly scored because of this fan.
Blaming the collapse on this fan is about the most ignorant thing you can do! No runs were directly scored because of this fan.
gherman
New Yorker
He has been on the cover of every news paper, they have basically been blaming the loss on him, he has alraedy recieved over 100 death threats, one good this is he's not a soccer fan in Argentina or they would have shot him by now.
They are a professional baseball team. They are the most mentaly tough athletes on the planet. If they really felt that that play "changed" everything and that it was all because of him and they need a scape goat to blame the losses on, they need to get thier heads checked.
Florida just out played them in the long run. The Cubs wind stopped blowing while Florida's stayed in thier sails. They were solid on defense, they had much better pitching and thier all around game was more solid as the series went on. They have two of the best young talents I've seen in a long time plus the best catcher... ever in my opinion.
They are a professional baseball team. They are the most mentaly tough athletes on the planet. If they really felt that that play "changed" everything and that it was all because of him and they need a scape goat to blame the losses on, they need to get thier heads checked.
Florida just out played them in the long run. The Cubs wind stopped blowing while Florida's stayed in thier sails. They were solid on defense, they had much better pitching and thier all around game was more solid as the series went on. They have two of the best young talents I've seen in a long time plus the best catcher... ever in my opinion.
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