Bomb v Stadium arcadium

[blueyedpoet]

Originally posted by STING2


Coldplay soldout several medium sized stadium shows in the UK last year, and Coldplay did sellout several shows on their tour of large amphitheaters in North America in 2005, and their return dates in January and February in Arena's. The average ticket price on their arena shows in January and February is equal to what RHCP are charging for their new arena tour. At best, it appears that the RHCP are only equal to Coldplay in selling tickets, at least in North America. If RHCP can't sellout some of these shows in large cities eventually, then Coldplay is definitely ahead of them in this area.

U2 soldout "multiple" arena shows in the same city on the Unforgettable Fire tour. The RHCP 20 years later are struggling to sellout "single" Arena shows in large cities.

I find it surprising that the current number of arena shows in the United States did not sellout, even in most large cities. Most cities only have one show. Many of these shows may eventually sellout, depending on whether or not the Chili Peppers attempt to sell seats behind the stage.

Most bands haven't gone through what the chili peppers have gone through and come through. What U2 can do with selling out tours is really unique. Hell, the Aerosmith/Kravitz tour wasn't nearly as successful as the Vertigo tour. And those are two big names (well, Kravitz sucks now, but that's a Bang and Clatter discussion).
I foresee this album selling about 2 million in the states. Though I still can't figure out why they're skipping over LA. Maybe they'll do multiple legs.

[U2DMfan]

It's a double album, it's more expensive, it will never sell as well as HTDAAB or a lot of other records. Tool's 10,000 Days sold more in it's first week compared to Stadium Arcadium.

[edge3]

Originally posted by ChargedVT
the 120k for Italy, could that be the amount SHIPPED? Because 120k in a market the size of Italy would be staggering.

Rather what i was thinking. I believe it's still now actually certified 1xPlat there which is now only equal to 80k. 120k would surely usually require a 2xPlat cert at least. & yes 120k is a staggering amount for Italy especially considering that's almost half of what their last main album - Greatest Hits - has done there overall (270-300k).

Still, no-one seems to have yet questioned the, i would think, fairly reliable source(s) @UKMIX.

[MJDangerous]

Originally posted by ChargedVT
the 120k for Italy, could that be the amount SHIPPED? Because 120k in a market the size of Italy would be staggering.

Maybe, but Italy is a special country in Europe, in this country first week sales are way higher than in the other countries, like in Japan. Eros Ramazzotti's last effort sold 240k in it's first week.

SA seems to have top 24 countries at the moment, this is kinda impressive for a so expensive record. Even if they will sell much less than Coldplay or U2, they will earn nearly the same amount of money or even more.

[STING2]

Originally posted by MJDangerous

Maybe, but Italy is a special country in Europe, in this country first week sales are way higher than in the other countries, like in Japan. Eros Ramazzotti's last effort sold 240k in it's first week.

SA seems to have top 24 countries at the moment, this is kinda impressive for a so expensive record. Even if they will sell much less than Coldplay or U2, they will earn nearly the same amount of money or even more.

How much money they will make from album sales is dependent on their royalty rate which is unknown. U2 have the highest royalty rate in the industry for albums.

At Amazon, you can get the new Chili Peppers album for $11.96. HTDAAB is only 2 dollars cheaper at $9.97. Chili Peppers are giving their fans a bargain. Its essentially a double album at a single album price.

[vaz02]

chilli's will have there first number 1 album in the US this week according to NME. That shocked me , i always thought they were succesful in the states especially on the modern rock charts.

[STING2]

Originally posted by vaz02
chilli's will have there first number 1 album in the US this week according to NME. That shocked me , i always thought they were succesful in the states especially on the modern rock charts.

Modern Rock tracks chart is a small radio market, so success there does not necessarily mean your really popular. Still the Chili Peppers have had two albums from the past that sold bucketloads, BLOOD SUGAR SEX MAGIK sold 7 million copies and CALIFORNICATION sold 5 million copies in the United States. BY THE WAY only sold 1 million copies though.

[MJDangerous]

Originally posted by STING2
BY THE WAY only sold 1 million copies though.

It is certified 1xPlatinum but it sold 2 millions copies according to soundscan.

The new chart of Mediatraffic is online : 1.108.000 for the Red Hot Chili Peppers. This is really amazing with their "low" sales in USA and even in France.

Out of USA/UK it sold if I'm not wrong more or less the same amount of copies than X&Y, while Stadium Arcadium is a double album !

[blueyedpoet]

I think Tell Me Baby will not really help sales, although it could bring some Blood fans to buy the album. However, I predict their third single (hopefully something like Slow Cheetah) will really help the album stay on the charts for a long time to come.

[MJDangerous]

Originally posted by STING2


How much money they will make from album sales is dependent on their royalty rate which is unknown. U2 have the highest royalty rate in the industry for albums.

Michael Jackson has the highest royalty rate : Estimated somewhere between 28% and 30%. Madonna is the highest for a female act with 19%.

About the RHCP I don't know, but it is likely to be at least as huge as Coldplay, because they are in the industry since much more time. The contract of Coldplay was probably signed before their second album or even their first album it should not be really great for Coldplay members.
But of course the most valuable contract of a band should be the one of U2 which is the most consistant seller since 20 years.

[bsp77]

Originally posted by blueyedpoet
I think Tell Me Baby will not really help sales, although it could bring some Blood fans to buy the album. However, I predict their third single (hopefully something like Slow Cheetah) will really help the album stay on the charts for a long time to come.

The singles are rumored to be as follows:

1. Dani California
2. Tell Me Baby
3. Storm in a Teacup
4. Snow
5. Stadium Arcadium
6. unknown
7. unknown

[STING2]

Originally posted by MJDangerous

It is certified 1xPlatinum but it sold 2 millions copies according to soundscan.

The new chart of Mediatraffic is online : 1.108.000 for the Red Hot Chili Peppers. This is really amazing with their "low" sales in USA and even in France.

Out of USA/UK it sold if I'm not wrong more or less the same amount of copies than X&Y, while Stadium Arcadium is a double album !

But its a double album at nearly a single album price! Instead of being and impediment to sales, it actually increases sales, more bang for the buck!

[STING2]

Originally posted by MJDangerous

Michael Jackson has the highest royalty rate : Estimated somewhere between 28% and 30%. Madonna is the highest for a female act with 19%.

I doubt that, plus in the past Michael Jackson has not written all his songs himself, and writers royalties are often where 50% of the money is. In any event, it certainly has not helped his current financial situation.

[vaz02]

Originally posted by STING2


I doubt that, plus in the past Michael Jackson has not written all his songs himself, and writers royalties are often where 50% of the money is. In any event, it certainly has not helped his current financial situation.

when i learnt michael didnt write his own stuff he dropped of my top 5 artists .

some guy from brighton england wrote the thriller lyrics and he hasnt needed to work since apprently . ( was on some show about wacko a year ago )

[MJDangerous]

Originally posted by STING2


But its a double album at nearly a single album price! Instead of being and impediment to sales, it actually increases sales, more bang for the buck!

It is sold at a relatively low price because it is new, but it still more expensive than a single album.

Originally posted by STING2


I doubt that, plus in the past Michael Jackson has not written all his songs himself, and writers royalties are often where 50% of the money is. In any event, it certainly has not helped his current financial situation.

This is the money that he earns without counting his credits as writer. And he doesn't write "all" his songs, but he writes a very importe % of them.

Originally posted by vaz02


when i learnt michael didnt write his own stuff he dropped of my top 5 artists .

some guy from brighton england wrote the thriller lyrics and he hasnt needed to work since apprently . ( was on some show about wacko a year ago )

He writes his own stuff ! "Thriller" (the song not the album) lyricist was the famous Rod Temperton but songs like Billie Jean, Beat It, Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' are writed and composed by Michael Jackson himself.
In the "Bad" album, his duet with Stevie Wonder "Just Good Friends" is not from him as well as "Man In The Mirror" writed by Siedahh Garreth who sings with him in the song "I Just Can't Stop Loving You", but all other songs in the album are writed and composed by Michael Jackson, including monstruous hits like Bad, The Way You Make Me Feel, Smooth Criminal, Liberian Girl, Leave Me Alone or Dirty Diana.

[STING2]

Originally posted by MJDangerous

It is sold at a relatively low price because it is new, but it still more expensive than a single album.

Yep, about 2 US dollars more expensive at Amazon. Again, a slightly more expensive double album is actually a positive selling point rather than being a negative.

[ybird3k]

Originally posted by bsp77


The singles are rumored to be as follows:

1. Dani California
2. Tell Me Baby
3. Storm in a Teacup
4. Snow
5. Stadium Arcadium
6. unknown
7. unknown

7 singles, they must be having a laugh, i bet they all sound the same too, only the first 4 will get any radio airplay in the UK anyway.

[MJDangerous]

Originally posted by STING2
Yep, about 2 US dollars more expensive at Amazon. Again, a slightly more expensive double album is actually a positive selling point rather than being a negative.

Really ?! In France it is sold at nearly 19€, while a lot of "new" single albums are sold at only 12€.

We have to know as well that in those 1.1 million are counted sales of the collector edition of the album which is selling pretty well, and which cost 60€.

[blueyedpoet]

I really don't think Storm in a Teacup will help sales in any country. Snow has a catchy feel, but I don't know if it's radio-friendly. Slow Cheetah would be a perfect late summer single.

[bsp77]

Originally posted by blueyedpoet
I really don't think Storm in a Teacup will help sales in any country. Snow has a catchy feel, but I don't know if it's radio-friendly. Slow Cheetah would be a perfect late summer single.

I keep hearing people mention Slow Cheetah. I think it is a very good song but I don't hear it as a single, at least in the US - it takes too long to become catchy (same problem as Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own). I could really hear Snow and, especially, Stadium Arcadium on the radio.

And Storm in a Teacup is great, although, you're right, it probably won't reach many people that have not already bought the album.