NBA Basketball 2007-08: The Thread Part II - Page 45

Headache in a Suitcase · 10-06-2008, 08:40 AM

talent is not and never has been the issue with the knicks. the issue has been do they have the right talent, and the right mix. isiah's biggest flaw, besides his utter inability to actually coach a team, was that he simply collected talent without worrying about wether or not that talent fit together.

marbury and randolph will eventually be gone. i'm very interested to see what duhon will do, and how crawford will respond to actually being coached. i always thought crawford was a guy who could flourish under the right system... heck, under A system. now we'll see.

as for d'antoni never doing well without talent... well, that's true in heindsight. steve nash was a very good player before he got to phoenix, but he didn't even make the all star team the year before winning back to back MVPs. and in that second MVP season he was not exactly surrounded by stellar talent, as stoudamire missed the entire season. now some of those guys phoenix had that year... your boris diaw's of the world... have become pseudo-stars, but at the time they certainly were not. they had nash and marion and what were then considered a bunch of spare parts... and they won 58 games in a brutal western conference.

do i expect the knicks to win 58 games? of course not. all i'm saying is that to say d'antoni has never won without great players is a little shortsided because frankly a lot of those great players became great players under his watch, and weren't considered to be great players before he got there.

thetitans2k · 10-06-2008, 01:53 PM

Fair enough. I guess we have to wait and see.

Headache in a Suitcase · 10-06-2008, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GirlsAloudFan

Do I detect a hint of jealousy here? Jealous of the fact that we snagged a future Hall of Fame point guard in the draft and your teams didn't?

Rose will be dominant. For the next decade and a half. Of this I have no doubt.

you also had no doubt the white sox would be the rays. how's that goin' for ya?

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Headache in a Suitcase · 10-09-2008, 07:38 AM

mike d'antoni is, in fact, an offensive genius.

Hewson · 10-09-2008, 07:53 AM

If nothing else, Knicks games should be highly entetaining this year, a big step up over recent campaigns.

Headache in a Suitcase · 10-09-2008, 09:22 AM

they couldn't throw the ball in the bloomin' ocean from three point range last night... if they 40% of the wide open threes they took they would have won by 20.

obviously, it's pre-season, it doesn't matter. and there's a ton of work left to be done with this roster... but god damn am i going to enjoy being able to watch d'antoni's mind work on a night in night out basis. the ball movement and motion to the offense is fantastic.

now obviously after the last 2 years, if they came out and ran the picket fence i'd be happy, just because it's something besides redundent endless iso "plays" put in by the genius of isiah thomas.

the young guys looked especially good... lee and chandler specificly.

they're certainly not a title contender, but knicks basketball matters again... and that's a nice thing.

LMP · 10-14-2008, 04:48 PM

It's about damn time that J.J. Redick's cracked the rotation, he's been the first guy off the bench in the past few pre-season games, and he got the team option for next year, too. Thank God.

thetitans2k · 10-14-2008, 05:43 PM

JJ will never be the NBA player you want him to be.

Headache in a Suitcase · 10-14-2008, 08:35 PM

i think all he wants him to be is a guy who can knock down an open three when he gets it... which is pretty much what he already is.

GirlsAloudFan · 10-14-2008, 10:10 PM

Finally got to watch us play a litte bit tonight. We are young, deep, and dangerous.

Deng
Rose
Hinrich
Gordon
Gooden
Hughes
Noah
Nocioni
Sefolosha
Thomas

And did I mention that we're deep?

LMP · 10-14-2008, 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase

i think all he wants him to be is a guy who can knock down an open three when he gets it... which is pretty much what he already is.

Exactly, and be efficient.

I don't see Hedo Turkoglu sticking around past the trading deadline this year either.

thetitans2k · 10-15-2008, 12:58 PM

How can he be efficient on the floor if he is not going to play good defense or be an effective rebounder. He's too small for the NBA.

speedracer · 10-15-2008, 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thetitans2k

How can he be efficient on the floor if he is not going to play good defense or be an effective rebounder. He's too small for the NBA.

If Steve Kerr can play 17.5 minutes a game for 15 years, I'm pretty sure Redick can find his niche somewhere in the NBA.

LMP · 10-15-2008, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thetitans2k

How can he be efficient on the floor if he is not going to play good defense or be an effective rebounder. He's too small for the NBA.

Quote:

Originally Posted by speedracer

If Steve Kerr can play 17.5 minutes a game for 15 years, I'm pretty sure Redick can find his niche somewhere in the NBA.

Yes.

Redick's not a great defender, but he hustles his ass off nearly every play... if that counts for anything.

Got Philk? · 10-15-2008, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GirlsAloudFan

Finally got to watch us play a litte bit tonight. We are young, deep, and dangerous.

Deng
Rose
Hinrich
Gordon
Gooden
Hughes
Noah
Nocioni
Sefolosha
Thomas

And did I mention that we're deep?

You're setting us up for a disappointment you know...

I'd still like to see a low post scorer on that roster. But, we traded him for Tyson Chandler years ago.

GirlsAloudFan · 10-15-2008, 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Got Philk?

You're setting us up for a disappointment you know...

yeah, I know, but I like to head into every season with as much optimism as possible. I do honestly think we will be greatly improved if only because of the point guard play of Rose. He knows how and when to get people the ball and he can get to the rim whenever he wants. I can't wait to watch him go to work.

Hewson · 10-15-2008, 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Got Philk?

You're setting us up for a disappointment you know...

I'd still like to see a low post scorer on that roster. But, we traded him for Tyson Chandler years ago.

Roster also seems to be lacking a true center and defensive post presence.

I see domination by teams with good bigs.

Headache in a Suitcase · 10-15-2008, 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thetitans2k

How can he be efficient on the floor if he is not going to play good defense or be an effective rebounder. He's too small for the NBA.

i suppose you also consider dwayne wade to be too small for the NBA, considering he and redick are both 6'4"... not to mention the aformentioned steve kerr was only 6'1", and redick is much more athletic than kerr ever was.

there are plenty of valid arguments one could make on why you believe j.j. redick will never be an efficient nba player... "he's too small" is not one of them.

trade redick to the knicks... i'm sure d'antoni could make some use of a guy who's deadly from 30 in, athletic freak or not.

Headache in a Suitcase · 10-15-2008, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hewson

Roster also seems to be lacking a true center and defensive post presence.

I see domination by teams with good bigs.

i'm still trying to see the depth.

10-06-2008, 08:40 AM	#881
Headache in a Suitcase Blue Crack Distributor Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: This forum just ain't what it was pre-2007 but I still post here Posts: 69,560 Local Time: 02:55 PM	talent is not and never has been the issue with the knicks. the issue has been do they have the right talent, and the right mix. isiah's biggest flaw, besides his utter inability to actually coach a team, was that he simply collected talent without worrying about wether or not that talent fit together. marbury and randolph will eventually be gone. i'm very interested to see what duhon will do, and how crawford will respond to actually being coached. i always thought crawford was a guy who could flourish under the right system... heck, under A system. now we'll see. as for d'antoni never doing well without talent... well, that's true in heindsight. steve nash was a very good player before he got to phoenix, but he didn't even make the all star team the year before winning back to back MVPs. and in that second MVP season he was not exactly surrounded by stellar talent, as stoudamire missed the entire season. now some of those guys phoenix had that year... your boris diaw's of the world... have become pseudo-stars, but at the time they certainly were not. they had nash and marion and what were then considered a bunch of spare parts... and they won 58 games in a brutal western conference. do i expect the knicks to win 58 games? of course not. all i'm saying is that to say d'antoni has never won without great players is a little shortsided because frankly a lot of those great players became great players under his watch, and weren't considered to be great players before he got there. __________________

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thetitans2k Refugee Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,752 Local Time: 06:55 PM	Fair enough. I guess we have to wait and see. __________________

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Headache in a Suitcase Blue Crack Distributor Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: This forum just ain't what it was pre-2007 but I still post here Posts: 69,560 Local Time: 02:55 PM	mike d'antoni is, in fact, an offensive genius.

10-09-2008, 07:53 AM	#886
Hewson Blue Crack Supplier Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Your own private Idaho Posts: 32,722 Local Time: 02:55 PM	If nothing else, Knicks games should be highly entetaining this year, a big step up over recent campaigns.

10-09-2008, 09:22 AM	#887
Headache in a Suitcase Blue Crack Distributor Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: This forum just ain't what it was pre-2007 but I still post here Posts: 69,560 Local Time: 02:55 PM	they couldn't throw the ball in the bloomin' ocean from three point range last night... if they 40% of the wide open threes they took they would have won by 20. obviously, it's pre-season, it doesn't matter. and there's a ton of work left to be done with this roster... but god damn am i going to enjoy being able to watch d'antoni's mind work on a night in night out basis. the ball movement and motion to the offense is fantastic. now obviously after the last 2 years, if they came out and ran the picket fence i'd be happy, just because it's something besides redundent endless iso "plays" put in by the genius of isiah thomas. the young guys looked especially good... lee and chandler specificly. they're certainly not a title contender, but knicks basketball matters again... and that's a nice thing.

10-14-2008, 04:48 PM	#888
LMP Blue Crack Supplier Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 37,609 Local Time: 12:55 PM	It's about damn time that J.J. Redick's cracked the rotation, he's been the first guy off the bench in the past few pre-season games, and he got the team option for next year, too. Thank God.

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thetitans2k Refugee Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,752 Local Time: 06:55 PM	JJ will never be the NBA player you want him to be.

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Headache in a Suitcase Blue Crack Distributor Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: This forum just ain't what it was pre-2007 but I still post here Posts: 69,560 Local Time: 02:55 PM	i think all he wants him to be is a guy who can knock down an open three when he gets it... which is pretty much what he already is.

10-14-2008, 10:10 PM	#891
GirlsAloudFan Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Chicago Posts: 26,430 Local Time: 01:55 PM	Finally got to watch us play a litte bit tonight. We are young, deep, and dangerous. Deng Rose Hinrich Gordon Gooden Hughes Noah Nocioni Sefolosha Thomas And did I mention that we're deep?

10-15-2008, 12:58 PM	#893
thetitans2k Refugee Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,752 Local Time: 06:55 PM	How can he be efficient on the floor if he is not going to play good defense or be an effective rebounder. He's too small for the NBA.