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Old 06-04-2021, 08:44 AM   #201
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That's always the million dollar question. Would you rather have 1 championship sandwiched by 9 shitty seasons? Or 10 seasons where your team is in contention every year but no championships to show for it?
You take the championship. Every time. It doesn't matter that it was a Bubble title. It counts - much like it doesn't matter to Toronto that the Warriors dropped dead just in time, nor does it matter to the Bad Boy Pistons that Magic Johnson barely played during their first finals win. It's a title.

That said - they had the opportunity to do both. They could have waited a year to sign AD and kept many of those players Hewson mentioned. But that didn't fit the Klutch Sports timeline. They could have filed the trade paperwork properly and had enough cash to sign another max player, but Rob Pelinka fucked that up.

It's not a disaster because they have a ring. But the trade is very similar to the Knicks when they went in too early for Melo and gave away the house for no reason. That trade is a disaster because they only got one 50 win season out of it and then the house of cards collapsed. This one? Hey, they got a ring. But they acquiesced to Lebron's timeline and mortgaged the future in exchange.

All time great players tend to cover up the misdeeds of management. And Pelinka can thank LeBron for his job security. But it's been a bit of a shit show.

Bron's first year - signing a bunch of non shooting vets and playing them over the young kids.

They butchered the coaching search - losing their first two targets to the Suns and Clippers (as an assistant no less) before settling on Vogel.

Choosing Kuzma over Ingram.

Letting Howard walk to sign the ghost of Marc Gasol.

Signing Magic Drummond and thinking that it would work in any way.

Letting Danny Green walk because the fans for pissed at him for a bad finals game.

Trading Zubac across town for a box of rocks.

Letting Thomas Bryant walk for nothing.

Jordan Clarkson won 6th Man - for Utah.

Julius Randle won Most Improved Player - for New York.

Brandon Ingram was last year's MIP and an all star.

Shit even D'Angelo Russell has been an all star.

Larry Nance Jr. has developed into a solid rotation player, as has Moe Wagner and Svi Mykhailiuk.

They are a poorly run organization who also happens to have a top 5 (probably top 2) all time player to cover up for their mistakes (because be wanted to make movies).

But they have a ring, and you can't take that away. But instead of flexibility and a cache of young talent, they have an aging star and a generational big who (much like Embiid) can not stay healthy. He's glass. It's a feature, not a bug. Worth it, because he's that good - but you need to hope that the inevitable injury happens early enough to get him healthy for the playoffs (or a pandemic gives you a three month recovery period prior to the playoffs... whatever works). Otherwise you're sunk every year (just like Philly. It's almost as if most massive human beings are better off not trying to move like small guards... alas).

But most of this is probably wrong because the Knicks have been historically terrible.
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Old 06-04-2021, 09:17 AM   #202
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That's always the million dollar question. Would you rather have 1 championship sandwiched by 9 shitty seasons? Or 10 seasons where your team is in contention every year but no championships to show for it?
Championship. The Nationals are old, have no money and probably won't sniff another playoff run for a decade, but I'll savor the 2019 World Series as long as I live. That was my favorite season of any team I love, and I say that having been fortunate enough to live in the midwest for the Blackhawks' 2010s dynasty. It was magical and a decade of losing can't take that away.

Same for LA. But man it would be great if the Pelicans got their shit together and bounced the Lakers in the playoffs sometime soon-ish. It doesn't seem likely.
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Championship in most circumstances. Not all. I can’t even watch baseball because of hard feelings over that franchise and I probably never will feel the same again.
To be clear, I wouldn’t give up 2003. That was magic. But I wasn’t old enough for 97. I’ll give that one up!
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Old 06-04-2021, 09:39 AM   #204
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The only thing I will say in defense of "No championship but relevance" argument is that as a Packers fan, even though we haven't won a championship in 10 years, the constant winning has helped the local economy in a huge way. As a small market team, if we were to fall into irrelevance/losing for 20 years, that would crush the city.
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I will always take the title. If you win the ring, the rest is worth it.

The title doesn't absolve management from making shitty decisions, but it certainly does buy them some time.
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take it from a phillies fan. the ring in 2008 was absolutely worth the decade-plus of mediocrity that followed. this opinion may change if they miss the postseason for another 10 seasons, but for now i'd always take the championship.

the raptors may very well turn out to be one of those teams over the 2020s but i'm confident that i'll still say the same thing if that does come to pass.
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As a Cleveland fan, I wouldn't trade that championship for 20 years of contention.
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Philadelphia-Atlanta is a really interesting series now that Embiid's health is going to be an ongoing question. Trae Young is the one archetype of player (high volume scoring small guard with speed) that Simmons struggles to guard (like Devin Booker), so the Sixers will likely need to rely more on Thybulle to check him. Despite being an all-world defender, Thybulle is tough to build lineups around because he is basically a zero on offense (cannot dribble, and is a low-30s %3PT shooter). Howard needs to be limited in his minutes because he clogs up the offense and commits a ton of fouls, which means they need to go small ball quite a bit. That's tough with Capela playing as well as he is right now.

The Sixers' defense obviously suffers without Embiid. Their "third center" is stretch-4 Mike Scott, who has been atrocious this season and needs to see as little time as possible. He's a three point specialist who isn't hitting threes. So this series may end up being more of a high scoring series because the Sixers will end up sacrificing defense for offense every time they elect to put Simmons in as a small ball 5.

Still, the Sixers' team defense is quite good in the halfcourt, with guys like Thybulle, Simmons, and Danny Green giving them a decent amount of flexibility to keep the rest of the Hawks lineup from getting too involved. Harris is a solid enough defender to not be a concern on that end like he was in years' past. And the emergence of Tyrese Maxey as a spark off the bench has been a blessing in the wake of Shake Milton's game falling off a cliff. With he and George Hill coming off the bench, they have steadier hands that can play when Simmons is on the bench, or even in end-of-game situations. Simmons does not necessarily need to handle the ball in the last two minutes now that they have a sure ball handler and solid shooter in Hill, who can be inserted into the lineup for Curry or Thybulle depending on the situation.

We'll see what happens. It's a Doc Rivers team, so they may revert to his standard rotations with Scott at the 5 if the small ball gets wrecked by Capela, but he showed more creativity in Game 5 against the Wizards than I was expecting. I hope he follows that instinct.
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That's always the million dollar question. Would you rather have 1 championship sandwiched by 9 shitty seasons? Or 10 seasons where your team is in contention every year but no championships to show for it?
Normally title s the easy answer...but that's assuming you wouldn't win one or more in the next decade without unloading all that talent for Davis.

They got LeBron before unloading all the young talent (mostly for AD), aside from Randle who left that same off season in free agency, that team might have blossomed and won a couple titles before Lebron retired.
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Normally title s the easy answer...but that's assuming you wouldn't win one or more in the next decade without unloading all that talent for Davis.

They got LeBron before unloading all the young talent (mostly for AD), aside from Randle who left that same off season in free agency, that team might have blossomed and won a couple titles before Lebron retired.
I might be reading this wrong so I just want to clarify. Are you trying to insinuate that the Lakers trade for Anthony Davis wasn't a good move for the Lakers?
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Choosing Kuzma over Ingram.
I don't think they chose Kuzma over Ingram. Ingram was the top prize for New Orleans in that trade. Pretty sure the trade doesn't get done if the Lakers don't include Ingram.
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I might be reading this wrong so I just want to clarify. Are you trying to insinuate that the Lakers trade for Anthony Davis wasn't a good move for the Lakers?
Just saying it may not have been the better long term move....paid off last year but could be a lot of lean years the rest of his tenure in LA. And if he continues to be as fragile as he was this year, then definitely was not the better move long term.
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Just saying it may not have been the better long term move....paid off last year but could be a lot of lean years the rest of his tenure in LA. And if he continues to be as fragile as he was this year, then definitely was not the better move long term.


Didnt we just finish the conversation about how one championship is worth it?
A short term probably AD wasn’t an option.
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It's not a coincidence that both finals teams from last year got bounced in the first round this year. Too fast of a turnaround to this season and too hectic of a schedule. I don't think it's time to close the door on the LeBron-AD partnership yet.
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I was looking forward to the Bucks-Nets series, but Harden getting hurt with a minute of play puts a dampen on things.
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Hawks came to play. Doubling up Philly so far
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But hey, Embiid came out with Triple H tho
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Think the Bucks wish they had Bogdanovic?
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NBA 2021 and beyond: Let's Talk Lakers!

Bogs is an ice cold killer. The shot he made on game 1 against the Knicks made me want to break things.

Only 3 years and 100 million left in KP’s contract.
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Of all the teams left only the Bucks and 76ers have previous NBA titles, and they were all 30+ years ago. Nice when that happens.
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