OASIS - New Album(s) and all General Discussion - Page 17

intedomine · 10-11-2008, 01:34 AM

Mindless bickering.....

At the end of the day, Noel Gallagher is a genius.

roy · 10-11-2008, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by the tourist

Sort of like U2....

Except U2 puts out a cd with 11 tracks where 9 are rubbish, and only do it every 4 years. Oh, and because the Oasis album kicks ass.

Does it? I must be listening to a different album then.

phanan · 10-11-2008, 07:00 AM

Coming from you, that's not a surprise.

I can't remember the last time you came into B&C and actually liked a new release.

Zoots · 10-11-2008, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by roy

Does it? I must be listening to a different album then.

Quote:

Originally Posted by phanan

Coming from you, that's not a surprise.

I can't remember the last time you came into B&C and actually liked a new release.

Haha this is so true! If it's not finding fault with Radiohead, it's Oasis now. Roy, why don't you go back to EYKIW? It's getting tiresome, really.

I bought this CD today, btw!

the tourist · 10-11-2008, 05:32 PM

Although, Zoots, I'd say I don't feel I've enjoyed a Radiohead album thoroughly since Kid A. But yeah, I think a lot of the U2 police would have fits in B&C.

roy · 10-11-2008, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Zootlesque

Haha this is so true! If it's not finding fault with Radiohead, it's Oasis now. Roy, why don't you go back to EYKIW? It's getting tiresome, really.

Apologies for not agreeing with your musical preferences.

At least I don't repeat my self ad aduseam when it comes to albums I don't rate. We all know how utterly tiresome that can be..

Zoots · 10-11-2008, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by roy

Apologies for not agreeing with your musical preferences.

At least I don't repeat my self ad aduseam when it comes to albums I don't rate. We all know how utterly tiresome that can be..

This is not about my musical preferences!

You seem to come into B&C mostly only to put down bands that somebody disappointed with recent U2 likes. Clearly I'm not the only one seeing this.

Oh btw El Mel, what the hell were you talking about when the album leaked, that Bag It Up and Soldier On are bad songs?? Do you still think that?

I like them. Anyway, this album sounds pretty good so far!

LemonMelon · 10-11-2008, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Zootlesque

Oh btw El Mel, what the hell were you talking about when the album leaked, that Bag It Up and Soldier On are bad songs?? Do you still think that?

I like them. Anyway, this album sounds pretty good so far!

I never said they were "bad" songs, just the weakest. Bag It Up in particular isn't so much bad as it is a regression. It sounds exactly like a Oasis stomper should, but that's part of the problem. They've done that before, and so much better. And yeah, Soldier On goes nowhere. Definitely the worst song on the album.

Everything else is good/great.

LMP · 10-11-2008, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by the tourist

I've said it before and I'll say it again: This is the comeback album they needed in 2000 after the Be Here Now fiasco.

I agree.

This is a pretty solid album from top to bottom. There's a weak track here and there, but that's negligible. The Gallagher Bros. are still a pair of assholes, but at least they put out decent music.

Early favorite: "To Be Where There's Life" - it's like "Go Let It Out"'s cool little brother.

kafrun · 10-11-2008, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by phanan

Most people wouldn't.

Don't Believe The Truth was their comeback album, though. This one is just proving it wasn't a fluke.

Yes, DBTT restored my faith in them

I still haven't heard the new one yet though

:Phail: Ok.. I'm going to find it *right now*

LemonMelon · 10-12-2008, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by LemonMacPhisto

Early favorite: "To Be Where There's Life" - it's like "Go Let It Out"'s cool little brother.

Definitely. The bass line is the best part.

DevilsShoes · 10-12-2008, 04:33 AM

Falling Down's awesome, great lyrics, great melody and those rolling, relentless drums are superb. I've been playing it over and over, very hypnotic, very contemplative for Noel, I think this is his most inspired moment on the album.

Zoots · 10-12-2008, 11:19 AM

Bag It Up
The Turning
Shock Of The Lightning
I'm Outta Time
Falling Down
To Be Where There's Life
Soldier On

the tourist · 10-12-2008, 03:38 PM

My favourites are tending to be The Turning, Waiting For The Rapture, The Shock of the Lightning, I'm Outta Time, and Falling Down.

Zoots · 10-12-2008, 05:30 PM

To Be Where There's Life is like a trip back to the late 60's

Zoots · 10-12-2008, 05:40 PM

allmusic Review 4.5 stars out of 5
Maturity always seemed an alien concept to Oasis. The brothers Gallagher may have worshiped music made before their birth but there was no respect to their love: they stormed the rock & roll kingdom with no regard for anyone outside themselves, a narcissism that made perfect sense when they were young punks, as youth wears rebellion well, but the group's trump card was how their snottiness was leveled by their foundation in classic pop. This delicate balance was thrown out of whack after the phenomenal success of 1995's (What's the Story) Morning Glory?, when the group sunk into a pit of excess that they couldn't completely escape for almost a full decade. When Oasis did begin to re-emerge on 2005's Don't Believe the Truth they sounded like journeymen, purveyors of no-frills rock & roll.

All this makes the wallop of 2008's Dig Out Your Soul all the more bracing. Colorful and dense where Don't Believe the Truth was straightforward, Dig Out Your Soul finds Oasis reconnecting to the churning psychedelic undercurrents in their music, sounds that derive equally from mid-period Beatles and early Verve. This is heavy, murky music, as dense, brutal, and loud as Oasis has ever been, building upon the swagger of Don't Believe and containing not a hint of the hazy drift of their late-'90s records: it's what Be Here Now would have sounded like without the blizzard of cocaine and electronica paranoia. Dig Out Your Soul doesn't have much arrogance, either, as Oasis' strut has mellowed into an off-hand confidence, just like how Noel Gallagher's hero worship has turned into a distinct signature of his own, as his Beatlesque songs sound like nobody else's, not even the Beatles. His only real rival at this thick, surging pop is his brother Liam, who has proven a sturdy, if not especially flashy songwriter with a knack for candied Lennonesque ballads like "I'm Outta Time." To appreciate what Liam does, turn to Gem Archer's "To Be Where There's Life" and Andy Bell's "The Nature of Reality," which are enjoyable enough Oasis-by-numbers, but Liam's numbers resonate, getting stronger with repeated plays, as the best Oasis songs always do.

But, as it always does, Oasis belongs to Noel Gallagher, who pens six of the 11 songs on Dig Out Your Soul, almost every one of them possessing the same sense of inevitability that marked his best early work. Best among these are the titanic stomp of "Waiting for the Rapture" and the quicksilver kaleidoscope of "The Shock of the Lightning," a pair of songs that rank among his best, but the grinding blues-psych of "Bag It Up" and gently cascading "The Turning" aren't far behind, either. These have the large, enveloping melodies so characteristic of this work and what impresses is that he can still make music that sounds not written, but unearthed. These six tunes are Noel's strongest since Morning Glory -- so strong it's hard not to wish he wrote the whole LP himself -- but what's striking about Dig Out Your Soul is how its relentless onslaught of sound proves as enduring as the tunes. This is the sound of a mature yet restless rock band: all the brawn comes from the guitars, all the snarl comes from Liam Gallagher's vocals, who no longer sounds like a young punk but an aged, battered brawler who wears his scars proudly, which is a sentiment that can apply to the band itself. They're now survivors, filling out the vintage threads they've always worn with muscle and unapologetic style.

Stephen Thomas Erlewine

bigloader · 10-12-2008, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by phanan

So, you really think Standing On The Shoulders Of Giants and Heathen Chemistry are better than this album?

I actually do prefer Heathen Chemistry, yes. SOTSOG is mostly crap though.

bigloader · 10-12-2008, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zootlesque

This is not about my musical preferences!

You seem to come into B&C mostly only to put down bands that somebody disappointed with recent U2 likes. Clearly I'm not the only one seeing this.

Oh btw El Mel, what the hell were you talking about when the album leaked, that Bag It Up and Soldier On are bad songs?? Do you still think that?

I like them. Anyway, this album sounds pretty good so far!

Bag it Up is good, but soldier on Is complete diarrhea. It's one of the most boring songs I've ever heard. Also, has anyone else had the misfortune of listening to "Carnation"? Holy rubbish!!!!!!!!!

Zoots · 10-12-2008, 07:11 PM

I like Soldier On.

I don't know, I think this album is really good, maybe even better than Don't Believe The Truth although I need to give it time to sink in and then see if my opinion changes.

Btw, I don't understand the hate for SOTSOG and Heathen Chemistry. Granted, I don't have those albums in their entirety but the songs I have are all excellent! Go Let It Out, Sunday Morning Call, Who Feels Love, Gas Panic, Fuckin In The Bushes, Little By Little, Hindu Times, Stop Crying Your Heart Out and Songbird.

Is the rest not as good or something?

cdisantis83 · 10-12-2008, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by phanan

Don't Believe The Truth was their comeback album, though. This one is just proving it wasn't a fluke.

As much as I like Don't Believe the Truth, I am really surprised that it is so consistently ranked higher than Heathen Chemistry. The latter is, in my opinion, a consistent and mature collection of songs, superior to both DBtT and Dig Out Your Soul. That being said, DOYS is very strong - especially I'm Outta Time and Falling Down.

Heathen Chemistry has everything that a Oasis fan could desire: the torrid rockers (Hindu Times, Force of Nature), the reflective mid-tempo stomps (Stop Crying Your Heart Out, Little By Little), the frivolous pop gems (Songbird, She Is Love), and even a bit of psychedelia (Born on a Different Cloud). I will always wonder why it does not have more supporters around here.

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10-11-2008, 07:00 AM	#323
phanan Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: in the darkness on the edge of town Posts: 26,078 Local Time: 07:16 PM	Coming from you, that's not a surprise. I can't remember the last time you came into B&C and actually liked a new release.

10-11-2008, 05:32 PM	#325
the tourist Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 27,918 Local Time: 04:16 PM	Although, Zoots, I'd say I don't feel I've enjoyed a Radiohead album thoroughly since Kid A. But yeah, I think a lot of the U2 police would have fits in B&C.

10-12-2008, 04:33 AM	#332
DevilsShoes War Child Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Posts: 760 Local Time: 12:16 AM	Falling Down's awesome, great lyrics, great melody and those rolling, relentless drums are superb. I've been playing it over and over, very hypnotic, very contemplative for Noel, I think this is his most inspired moment on the album.

10-12-2008, 11:19 AM	#333
Zoots Blue Crack Supplier Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: the great beyond Posts: 36,802 Local Time: 01:16 AM	Bag It Up The Turning Shock Of The Lightning I'm Outta Time Falling Down To Be Where There's Life Soldier On

10-12-2008, 03:38 PM	#334
the tourist Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 27,918 Local Time: 04:16 PM	My favourites are tending to be The Turning, Waiting For The Rapture, The Shock of the Lightning, I'm Outta Time, and Falling Down.

10-12-2008, 05:30 PM	#335
Zoots Blue Crack Supplier Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: the great beyond Posts: 36,802 Local Time: 01:16 AM	To Be Where There's Life is like a trip back to the late 60's

10-12-2008, 05:40 PM	#336
Zoots Blue Crack Supplier Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: the great beyond Posts: 36,802 Local Time: 01:16 AM	allmusic Review 4.5 stars out of 5 Maturity always seemed an alien concept to Oasis. The brothers Gallagher may have worshiped music made before their birth but there was no respect to their love: they stormed the rock & roll kingdom with no regard for anyone outside themselves, a narcissism that made perfect sense when they were young punks, as youth wears rebellion well, but the group's trump card was how their snottiness was leveled by their foundation in classic pop. This delicate balance was thrown out of whack after the phenomenal success of 1995's (What's the Story) Morning Glory?, when the group sunk into a pit of excess that they couldn't completely escape for almost a full decade. When Oasis did begin to re-emerge on 2005's Don't Believe the Truth they sounded like journeymen, purveyors of no-frills rock & roll. All this makes the wallop of 2008's Dig Out Your Soul all the more bracing. Colorful and dense where Don't Believe the Truth was straightforward, Dig Out Your Soul finds Oasis reconnecting to the churning psychedelic undercurrents in their music, sounds that derive equally from mid-period Beatles and early Verve. This is heavy, murky music, as dense, brutal, and loud as Oasis has ever been, building upon the swagger of Don't Believe and containing not a hint of the hazy drift of their late-'90s records: it's what Be Here Now would have sounded like without the blizzard of cocaine and electronica paranoia. Dig Out Your Soul doesn't have much arrogance, either, as Oasis' strut has mellowed into an off-hand confidence, just like how Noel Gallagher's hero worship has turned into a distinct signature of his own, as his Beatlesque songs sound like nobody else's, not even the Beatles. His only real rival at this thick, surging pop is his brother Liam, who has proven a sturdy, if not especially flashy songwriter with a knack for candied Lennonesque ballads like "I'm Outta Time." To appreciate what Liam does, turn to Gem Archer's "To Be Where There's Life" and Andy Bell's "The Nature of Reality," which are enjoyable enough Oasis-by-numbers, but Liam's numbers resonate, getting stronger with repeated plays, as the best Oasis songs always do. But, as it always does, Oasis belongs to Noel Gallagher, who pens six of the 11 songs on Dig Out Your Soul, almost every one of them possessing the same sense of inevitability that marked his best early work. Best among these are the titanic stomp of "Waiting for the Rapture" and the quicksilver kaleidoscope of "The Shock of the Lightning," a pair of songs that rank among his best, but the grinding blues-psych of "Bag It Up" and gently cascading "The Turning" aren't far behind, either. These have the large, enveloping melodies so characteristic of this work and what impresses is that he can still make music that sounds not written, but unearthed. These six tunes are Noel's strongest since Morning Glory -- so strong it's hard not to wish he wrote the whole LP himself -- but what's striking about Dig Out Your Soul is how its relentless onslaught of sound proves as enduring as the tunes. This is the sound of a mature yet restless rock band: all the brawn comes from the guitars, all the snarl comes from Liam Gallagher's vocals, who no longer sounds like a young punk but an aged, battered brawler who wears his scars proudly, which is a sentiment that can apply to the band itself. They're now survivors, filling out the vintage threads they've always worn with muscle and unapologetic style. Stephen Thomas Erlewine

10-12-2008, 07:11 PM	#339
Zoots Blue Crack Supplier Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: the great beyond Posts: 36,802 Local Time: 01:16 AM	I like Soldier On. I don't know, I think this album is really good, maybe even better than Don't Believe The Truth although I need to give it time to sink in and then see if my opinion changes. Btw, I don't understand the hate for SOTSOG and Heathen Chemistry. Granted, I don't have those albums in their entirety but the songs I have are all excellent! Go Let It Out, Sunday Morning Call, Who Feels Love, Gas Panic, Fuckin In The Bushes, Little By Little, Hindu Times, Stop Crying Your Heart Out and Songbird. Is the rest not as good or something?